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MSWUDZ 04/22/2012 1:04:00 AM
IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, AN INSTITUTION IS "AN ESTABLISHED ORGANIZATION OR CORPORATION AND ESPECIALLY ONE OF A PUBLIC NATURE. NOW LOOKING AT YOUR STATEMENT ON THE FIRST PAGE STATES "THE REGULATIONS LABELS AS A "DETRIMENT" ANY INSTITUTION WHOSE OCCUPANTS ENGAGE IN LOITERING, LITTERING, PUBLIC DRINKING, PUBLIC URINATION AND LEWD CONDUCT- ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT PROPERTY IS NEAR A PARK, PLAYGROUND SCHOOL OR CHURCH. NOW CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ISN'T BUSCH STADIUM AN INSTITUTION/ CORPORATION? BUSCH STADIUM HAS PUBLIC DRINKING, SOMTIMES LEWD CONDUCT, LOITERING AND PUBLIC URINATION. IT IS A PARK, NEAR A PLAYGROUND, SCHOOL AND/OR CHURCHES. SO I BELIEVE IF YOU SHUT DOWN LARRY RICE FOR HELPING HOMELESS PEOPLE, THEN BY ALL MEANS SHUT DOWN BUSCH STADIUM AS WELL. OR IS THAT TOO BIG OF A FISH FOR YOU TO FRY?
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Ariana Miller 01/22/2012 6:48:00 AM
I am sad to say that I honestly thought this must have been a satirical article--like something The Onion would post. Given that this article was written three years ago and Lucas Park remains the same, I'm relieved that Mr. Martello's crusade seems to have failed.
Anyone making a major investment (such as purchasing real estate, i.e. a condo), or even just making a life decision like where to raise a family, has to do their due diligence first. The New Life Evangelistic Center has just celebrated its 40th anniversary, providing services at 14th & Locust. For people to move into the new lofts on Washington Ave. and surrounding streets and then complain about the number of homeless and a decades old ministry is shortsighted--to put it in the nicest possible manner.
Regardless of what anyone has to say about Larry Rice personally, people are not swarming outside of the building because he's abusing them. Really think about that. If it were that bad, they wouldn't be there. And regarding the comments that he's not doing enough to find them permanent places to stay, I'd say that one, there is help for people to get off the street permanently. But also, not every service is the same. It's a shelter, not an affordable housing complex. It provides a temporary place for people to get away from the elements and get something to eat, as well as be taught. And regarding feeding people, the NLEC kitchen does not have the capacity to turn out the number of meals required by the people living there, so volunteers bring food in.
Again, whatever accusations one wields against Rice, no one can dispute that the Center is doing a good thing for people who need it. People like Mr. Martello aren't interested in solving the issue of homelessness, just in shifting the problem to someone else's neighborhood.
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Jesse 04/14/2009 10:43:00 AM
So, Mr Martello, where will these people go if you close this place down. I guess it would be fine for you if they freeze to death during the winter because they have nowhere to go?
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Embarrassed By These Idiots 09/12/2008 12:30:00 AM
Martello, Wynder and Kelly you all are a bunch of idiots. If you move into an area with a high homeless population, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? For the homeless people to magically disappear?
Even if you do get rid of a perfectly fine charity (which you bastards are nit picking, instead of trying to help improve) where do you think the homeless people are going to go? Instead you are just going to have angry homeless people.
You know, instead of complaining Martello, maybe you could DRIVE your kid to a different park, like Forest Park. What a radical idea! Or, maybe you all could be thankful that the homeless population is not as bad as that in downtown Denver or another big city where there are homeless people on every corner. Or... maybe you all could be thankful you are not homeless yourselves and just shut up.
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Juice 09/06/2008 9:15:00 PM
I started dating someone who lives in the knickerbocker lofts about a year and a half ago. Since day one I have been adimate about him coming down to meet me before I get out of my car. I have never felt comfortable. Not walking in this area (alone or with him), parking my car in it,CERTAINLY not going into the park (thank GOD we dont have dogs), and most importantly to me of all, I worry about him parking in his garage a few blocks away and walking back home late at night when im not around. I too, have seen countless people urinating (near the playground), I have seen the mess left when organizations come down to feed the homeless, and Ive heard every story under the face of the sun trying to get money from me. Half of the time we cant walk to papa johns to get a pizza without someone asking us for some. I feel bad for homeless people. Really bad. In fact thats what makes it so hard. I come down here to stay on the weekends and some weeknights and i bring a lot of stuff with me, and I have to walk by all of these people who have nothing. I realize that when larry rice built this building here there probably werent as many people living here, but there are now, and we need to do something. I would never suggest that it just be closed. Where would these people go? It needs to be moved. If our government can waste trillions of dollars on other countries, cant we recreate ONE facility in one of our own cities? A city that is historic, and has major potential...
-juice
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Jon 08/22/2008 7:53:00 PM
Interesting points Nathan. But I submit to you, that a major part of the problem you see where you live and of the issues with Lucas Park are related to a concentration of homeless facilities in a handful of location in St. Louis, largely within the City of St. Louis. No one would argue that such facilities come with out negative secondary effects. The question becomes, is it in both the region's and the homeless' best interest to concentrate both facilities and the negative secondary effects in a handful of locations.
There is no doubt why Lucas Park is beset by public urination/ deification, fights, and many other negative things. Downtown has become a haven for the homeless, with all of the negative aspects from the concentration of shelters focused on downtown. If these effects were spread throughout the region, the effects on any one area would be minimized.
Whether this means the NLEC should move is a separate issue, though given some of the charges leveled at Rice, one must wonder whether he truly acts in the best interest of the homeless.What it does mean, is that other parts of the region must stand up and take on the homeless problem in their areas, rather than loading up the squad car with undesirables and dumping them downtown at Lucas Park to fend for themselves.
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Nathan F 08/22/2008 12:18:00 AM
Jon,
Fair point: Those that throw stones at should always consider what it'd be like with the shoe on the other foot. Would we have shelters in our own backyards? I sure hope so.
I can't speak for the others, but my wife and I chose to live in a less affluent area (true: not STL) in large part because we feel Christ's call to build bonds with the less fortunate. Don't get me wrong: we still do precious little of that "bond building." And I get ticked off and sad as anyone when there's violence in our area. But I, for one, don't blame that on "the homeless" and want "the homeless" kicked out of town. Wouldn't it be a great world if, instead of turning against them, we tried to help them?
Because my wife and I CHOOSE to live where we do, and moved here with full knowledge of the area, we have no grievances with (and in fact are quite happy for the services provided by) the three shelters, at least one battered women's center, an addiction counseling center, etc, all of which are within a reasonable walk from our home.
I think it'd be great to have more shelters in ALL the places you mentioned. We need them. By last count, STL has over 1300 chronically homeless (not to mention the more common folks who are down on their luck for a week or two), so one shelter, or three, or five, aren't going to be enough. Kudos on suggesting more centers. Maybe you are the compassionate fellow to get these going.
But in the meantime, why on earth shut down the care center that's already downtown, and has BEEN downtown for over 30 years?
Did NLEC move in on you? Lately, isn't the trend in the other direction, with loft-goers moving into a less affluent downtown area, and then expecting it to be the burbs?
The real culprits, if you ask me, are the developers who tried to make the incoming upper-class folks believe they were moving into some pristine little heaven, and not the inner city of Saint Louis. I stand by my support for NLEC.
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Jon 08/20/2008 2:45:00 AM
Here is a question for you dwellers in St. Charles and St. Louis County who think it is wrong to give Rev. Rice the run-around:
Is the provision of services for the homeless a regional or local problem?
If you you think it is a regional issue, then I suggest that step 1 in addressing the problems around NLEC is not to simply kick Rice out but to relocate him so that the provision of homeless services is not concentrated in any one neighborhood (in this case downtown), but borne by many.
I foresee centers in St. Charles, Clayton, Chesterfield, Afton and Florissant. Seems like that would help cover most of the County.
So, Ken, Angela, Ernest, Jeremy, Ela, Frank, Stanly, Marc , and Nathan, who is on board with my plan? Which one of you will be the first good hearted souls to offer up your neighborhood as a shelter location for the NLEC?
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Nathan F. 08/19/2008 7:08:00 PM
I thank God for citizens willing to stand up for the poor and homeless, and the organizations that help them. It does me good to look over the comments here, and to see that those writing in support of NLEC and/or the homeless have outnumbered the "get the filthy homeless people out of our backyards" proponents 2 to 1.
Saint Louis DOES care, even if some people do their best to prove it doesn't.
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Marc 08/19/2008 5:01:00 PM
I was just absolutely appalled by the article regarding Andy Martello and his crusade to close down the New Life Evangelistic Center. What a bunch of bourgeois elitist. The Reverend Rice and the New Life Center have done nothing but try to help the less fortunate. It was a fixture downtown long before Andy and company moved to trendy downtown. I suggest you start a neighborhood watch program and try to assist the police in cleaning up the local park and surrounding area. I believe that there is behavior in the area that is unacceptable and it should be stopped. I do not however believe that New Life Center should be closed down. There are many people that utilize the shelter that are law abiding citizens and are just in need of some help. Andy maybe you could show your son an example of a decent human being by doing some volunteer work at the center.
Marc Haynes
St. Charles
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Jeremy 08/14/2008 11:38:00 PM
David, Where are you getting your alleged facts?
- "Why does he treat the homeless like animals and not feed them?"
The homeless and even people with homes are fed every single day. They would even feed you if you walked up at lunch time.
- "Why doesn't he pay his homeless employees? I suppose it does help him control and keep them down and out. After all, it's hard to transition back to traditional society when you've got no money."
The employees are paid, why dont you go over and talk with some of the formerly homeless and ask them about their compensation. You could also ask them what they did before they found NLEC and Jesus.
- "Why so many murders and violence in his facilities? When you exploit and take hope from the homeless, you create desperate, unstable people."
The people that seek shelter at New Life Evangelistic Center are already desperate, not to mention some are mentally ill, and alchoholics. How can you blame Larry or New Life for what mentally ill people do while there?
- "Why is he so divisive in every community he's a part of? If you don't approve of him exploiting the homeless, you're badged as a yuppie. Umm, ok. Very clever."
By definition you are a "Yuppie" David. Your a 32 year old single man living in the city in a upscale condo and your an IT Analyst for Boeing. Yuppie stands for Young Urban Professional incase you didnt know.
- "Why doesn't he partner with the Mayor's ten year plan to end chronic homelessness? (Hint: Ending homelessness doesn't help Larry Rice grow his empire.)"
When NLEC tried to acquire the old Federal building the city felt that property would make a better parking lot. Also the city and Mayor have never been on the side that NLEC is so why would he want to partner with the Mayor.
- "Why does he violate 9 charity standards set forth by the Better Business Bureau: http://charityreports.bbb.org/public/Report.aspx?CharityID=5108. Pretty shady, eh?"
What does the BBB know about running a Church, Charity, TV/ Radio station and Energy Research non profit?
- "Why are there so many reports of former homeless stating that they were encouraged by NLEC officials to spend time on the streets to increase visibility of the homeless problem? I suppose that's why Larry kicks the homeless out of the facility during the day (especially during wet, freezing weather.)"
They are encouraged to be out on the streets looking for JOBS! Thats why NLEC allows them to use their address on an application.
- "Why is it that Larry Rice and his backers can't address these issues and instead only demean and spit on the community? It seems they are getting pretty desperate."
These issues have been addressed and most of them are false. You keep saying Larry Rice cant address them, well why dont you write a letter to him. He probably doesnt read the RFT.
Heres the address
Reverend Larry Rice
1411 Locust St
Saint Louis, MO 63103
"These are just some of the issues that are just beginning to be discussed throughout the St. Louis metro area. This does not look good for Larry Rice."
Yes you have issues, I'll agree with you on that. You should find a hobby other than drinking single malt scotch and bourbon and ranting about Rev. Larry Rice.
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Dave 08/14/2008 10:22:00 AM
All those links are nice, Jeremy. But if Larry Rice is such a godly man with his $50 million plus to throw around:
- Why does he treat the homeless like animals and not feed them?
- Why doesn't he pay his homeless employees? I suppose it does help him control and keep them down and out. After all, it's hard to transition back to traditional society when you've got no money.
- Why so many murders and violence in his facilities? When you exploit and take hope from the homeless, you create desperate, unstable people.
- Why is he so divisive in every community he's a part of? If you don't approve of him exploiting the homeless, you're badged as a yuppie. Umm, ok. Very clever.
- Why doesn't he partner with the Mayor's ten year plan to end chronic homelessness? (Hint: Ending homelessness doesn't help Larry Rice grow his empire.)
- Why does he violate 9 charity standards set forth by the Better Business Bureau: http://charityreports.bbb.org/public/Report.aspx?CharityID=5108. Pretty shady, eh?
- Why are there so many reports of former homeless stating that they were encouraged by NLEC officials to spend time on the streets to increase visibility of the homeless problem? I suppose that's why Larry kicks the homeless out of the facility during the day (especially during wet, freezing weather.)
- Why is it that Larry Rice and his backers can't address these issues and instead only demean and spit on the community? It seems they are getting pretty desperate.
These are just some of the issues that are just beginning to be discussed throughout the St. Louis metro area. This does not look good for Larry Rice.
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David Goldstick 08/14/2008 5:17:00 AM
Unlike that which Rev. Larry Rice would have you believe, downtown residents have compassion for the plight of the homeless. Many of us volunteer at various homeless service organizations and otherwise support strategic homeless care facilities in line with the Mayor's ten year plan to end chronic homelessness. I believe that persons of the cloth should strive to unite the communities they live and work in.
So why would Rev. Rice distort the truth and attack mostly caring downtown residents as nothing but insensitive yuppies? This can be seen as a clever strategy by a highly intelligent man to deflect from his own problems and also serves as an excellent means to raise funds.
Rev. Rice portrays himself as a modest, godly man w/ a particular penchant toward looking out for the needy. But would you be surprised to learn that he has built a $40-50 million media and evangelical empire, much of it in real estate? In addition, he has $5 million in unrestricted assets and the ability to obtain a $3 million loan from Cass Bank. These facts are public record from a 2004 federal case.
With the good reverend's great riches and abundance:
1. Why does Rev. Rice not serve healthy, nutritious meals at the NLEC on a regular basis? Why does he leave the bellies of the homeless empty and instead rely on well-intentioned folks to bring food to Lucas Park? If you or I had $40-50 million in assets and $5 million in unrestricted assets, you can bet we would feed these folks nutritious food in in our facility with the dignity they deserve. Any respectable person would not leave them to fend for themselves in their own yard like animals.
2. Why does the NLEC shelter continue to violate several interior and exterior codes that potentially endanger those that occupy it? If you or I had his kind of money, you can be damn sure the facility would pass code.
Listen to the report from an individual that was turned down by the NLEC. "When I was in need of shelter and food I was flatly turned away by NLEC, who openly told me after a profile survey that their donors were not interested in helping couples. Not quite as directly, I learned from several channels that receiving assistance from Rice would require I quit my job and agree to spend my time on the streets "increasing the visibility of the poverty problem." Ref: http://www.urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?p=40838&highlight=rice+energies#40838
Flatly labeling downtown residents as "yuppies" and calling for Mr. Martello to be spat on do not appear to be Christian sentiments. If you're trying to argue against people that want better care for the homeless and laws to be respected, perhaps you should try a different tact. Because your arguments don't hold water.
I applaud the City and St. Patrick Center, who are establishing services and housing for 115 homeless veterans (across the street from me.) Read more about it here: http://stlcin.missouri.org/release/getpressdetails.cfm?Auto=1283
We may not have millions of dollars on our side nor a media empire, but we have the truth. I believe that will win in the end. For the sake of saving the homeless from further exploitation, we will.
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T.D. 08/13/2008 10:10:00 PM
Mr. Martello should be spat upon in public. Take away the homeless shelter and you'll have even more homeless people around your place you jackass.
And if you do succeed in doing this, well, maybe others will start to crowd the neighborhood, some of us who are openly hostile to yuppies like you, unlike the passive poor souls who unfortunatly have to live next to people like you.
Downtown was fine until the yuppies moved in.
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Stanly Thompson 08/13/2008 4:37:00 PM
After reading the article about the homeless petition that Mr. Mardello is circulating, I don't recall him mentioning how HE would solve the problem. It's a classic case of "Not In My Backyard" mentality. I hope he gets to experience what it's like to live on the street sometime.
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Frank 08/12/2008 11:47:00 PM
I encourage every one to read:
The National Coalition for the Homeless report on the top 20 Meanest Cities in America for their treatment of the homeless.
St. Louis is ranked #19 for its inhuman treatment of the homeless in downtown St. Louis.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/index.html
Download the full report and St. Louis is on pg. 41
I do not doubt that there some disgruntled former clients of Rice out there. You will find that with at any shelter, organization, church, business, hospital, or school, etc.
But, since the majority of Rice's clients support him and appreciate NLEC services, this further leads me to believe that this petition and this article, and David Goldsmith's comments and his coming website are not about benefiting the homeless, but are getting rid of the homeless and their outspoken advocate, Larry Rice.
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Mark 08/12/2008 9:42:00 PM
David G.
Wow, we've heard a lot from you. What is your expertise again? Name calling?
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Frank 08/12/2008 7:43:00 PM
Mary,
Go ask Larry where he lives... he sleeps in his office 4 nights a week on a pull-out couch at the shelter at 1411 Locust St.
Sounds like the gentrified mob may need to get it together here... are you against Larry Rice or the homeless or both? Anyone who serves clients such as the homeless or those who frequent bars downtown has NO control over what the clients do when they leave a facility. This entire petition is ridiculous and is gentrification and classist at best.
This article and the petition supporters keep calling downtown "your neighborhood". Larry Rice, NLEC, and the homeless have in downtown for over 20 years. Because you moved into a loft 3 years ago, and because you are white and have lots of money, you think it is now your neighborhood and that your racism and classism can now drive the homeless out. Well, it won't happen. Shut down NLEC and the homeless will be sleeping in your loft doorways. Ban them from Lucas Park and they will be on every corner in downtown St. Louis.
p.s. The River Front Times named Larry Rice one of St. Louis's Best for 2 years. But that was back in the day when you folks lived in "your neighborhoods" in the suburbs. Larry was admired for his outspokenness and uncompromising dedication to the homeless and poor. He has not changed. St. Louis has changed.
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Mary Deacon 08/12/2008 11:14:00 AM
Larry Rice does not live around, he does not have to wake up listening to fights and obcenities. He does not walk the park after each feeding when it is left filthy for us to watch. He does not know that American Indians loved, cared and worked with and for the land. He would not be appreciated by compassionate people if he was to open a shelter in Clayton or Chesterfield and invite the homeless people to use the parks there to their hearts content. Homeless people cannot help who they are and how they live, it is a state of mind not of money account. People who feed them only and then leave are not helping them either, they will follow where there is free food, and sleep where there is a bed. I have seen so many times urination in the park, against building walls, against storfront windows... Larry Rice does not care....it seems the city officials don't either.
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Joe 08/12/2008 9:40:00 AM
The sales brochures showed artist's renditions of shimmering buildings, pristine sidewalks, and well-dressed couples walking back from their downtown shopping. Television shows like Seinfeld and Friends glamorized the life of living downtown. It's understandable that some people desire that kind of lifestyle. There's one problem, this ain't Manhatten.
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Tom 08/12/2008 6:01:00 AM
Those silly homeless people should just quit being homeless and move. After all Andy Martello and Patricia Clark had no choice but to move into the "loft" area. If those obnoxious homeless people don't just disappear from the area then perhaps we should grind them up into puppy chow for the pets of the loft owners. It so unfair that Martello and Clark were tricked into moving into an area that had no homeless, only to have these bums shipped in. Thank God for Larry Rice and his good work.
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Anonymous 08/12/2008 4:10:00 AM
"I agree with the author 100 percent and from having lived downtown for 5 years now, I know the feeling is well shared down here. Like I said if you care so much then build them a center where you live? We will see how fast that gets old when they are pissing on your white picket fence."
I second! Most of you have no clue what it's like! PLEASE, until you have been in our shoes- try not to judge and point fingers.
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Anonymous 08/12/2008 4:09:00 AM
"I agree with the author 100 percent and from having lived downtown for 5 years now, I know the feeling is well shared down here. Like I said if you care so much then build them a center where you live? We will see how fast that gets old when they are pissing on your white picket fence."
I second! Most of you have no clue what it's like! PLEASE, until you have been in our shoes- try not to judge and point fingers.
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Jeff Burkes 08/11/2008 10:28:00 PM
It's so great to see all these suburbia folks being so supportive of the homeless. Let's build a center out there where they can continue their support for them.
I don't think anybody is denying that more needs to be done and programs in place to help the homeless, but the 1411 location is a whole in the city and damages greatly what Saint Louis is trying to create downtown. Tens of millions have been invested in restaurants, shops, and even more for living. Most of us down here do not have the desire or dream of living out in boring land. So why cannot we take issue with a blight in our neighborhood? The park is disgusting, my girlfriend has been accosted on more than one occasion, and is not getting any better.
For the first time in a long time, the city of Saint Louis has actually seen an increase in population and that is due to the revived downtown. So I ask again why cannot we remove a blight from an area? The vast majority of residents support the place being condemned.
If this location was in your areas, you would not be able to drive down to city hall fast enough. Of course you will argue we moved there, so I guess downtown can never become better because they were there first. How many arguments could be made throughout history for that?
It would be great to just throw money at it, or build a better facility that can house homeless 24 hrs a day, but that does not exist. The place is disgusting, the loitering, drinking, pan handling, and all else have got to go. The sooner the better and the vast majority of residents downtown will not stop until the problem is gone.
I agree with the author 100 percent and from having lived downtown for 5 years now, I know the feeling is well shared down here. Like I said if you care so much then build them a center where you live? We will see how fast that gets old when they are pissing on your white picket fence.
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m 08/11/2008 9:48:00 PM
But Martello isn't like all those other yuppies who moved downtown from their suburbs- he has "an affinity for caffeine, cigarettes and 'solving problems'" He's cool! Too bad he didn't have to foresight to, as Ela Devine suggested, research an area before he moved into it. And whoops! I'm pretty sure secondhand smoke has a more detrimental effect on your child than seeing a homeless man asking for change. Isn't that the gritty, urban feel you were after when you moved downtown anyway?
"A tailgating party for the religious" is much worse than one held in the parking lot for the stadium, I gather? And littering? Purely an affliction of the poor. I'm sure the bottles of Bud Select and Mike's Hard Lemonade that pepper Washington Avenue Monday mornings are left there by the homeless. Public urination and panhandling are a nuisance, sure (although I live downtown and never get asked for change and have never seen anyone peeing on the side of the building, maybe I should get out more?), but are these offenses truly harming you or you child? There are sex offenders that live in Ballwin too, you know.
You are trying to shut down a homeless shelter because you are uncomfortable with seeing the problems of our society and economy today face to face. You can try and "eminent-domain his ass" but there will still be homeless people, in Lucas Park and elsewhere. Simply attempting to force the homeless to move by shutting down the NLEC is hardly "solving" any problems.
I'm looking forward to some letters to the editor regarding this article next week.
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Jeremy 08/11/2008 7:26:00 PM
Let me correct myself in the comment above. I was referring to David at the beginning not Robert.
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Jeremy 08/11/2008 10:44:00 AM
Robert, you seem to be doing some research about Rev Rice but you sure dont have all your facts straight. Larry Rice does not drive a luxury car like some other televangelists. He drives a Volkswagon Jetta that runs on Bio diesel made from used vegetable oil. Rev Rice does not live in Chesterfield. He commutes 2 or 3 days a week into St. Louis from New Bloomfield Mo or Marshfield Mo. I have toured his home in New Bloomfield and it is no way a mansion. It is a small house that is on grid but supplemented with solar and windpower. Across the street is the Mid America Renewable Energy Center. This is one of NLECs research centers where renewable energy research is conducted. On the premises are many PV (solar electric panels) large wind turbines, solar hot water heaters, hydroponic vegetable gardens with tilapia fish tanks, geodesic dome homes, a micro hydro electric system, a cord wood home, an underground home, and a hay bale home. Some of the money raised by NLEC is used to conduct research to build sustainable homes for low or no income people.
NLEC has radio and TV stations throughout the Midwest which are in the process of being converted to digital for the 2009 deadline. It costs a million dollars to just erect a new tower and install the antenna. The Broadcast equipment and cameras are extra.
The 1411 Locust building has been being rehabbed for the past year and is up to code by todays standards. There are city owned building that are in much worse condition including city hall and the old municipal court.
You have talked to some former residents of NLEC and they have some bad stuff to say about Rev Rice. - "He searches the rooms, taking money, checks and food stamps from the homeless to keep them dependent on him."
Larry doesnt have time to search rooms, he is only in town 2 or 3 days a week. When he is there hes recording television programs and conducting interviews of people that cant afford their gas and electric bills. Also you may not understand the fact hes a preacher so he does a weekly televised sermon.
- "He kept the homeless workers extremely busy and didn't allow them to go on job interviews or even look for them."
Why would they try and keep people there when they are at maximum capacity as it is?
- "He has a hair-trigger temper and would scream and cuss like no minister I ever heard."
Ive never heard him curse but I will admit he can be short with some people. I bet you get mad too when a homless person is asking you for change. Imagine whats its like to have hundreds of them asking you for something constantly.
Its hard to make everyone happy and when you have rules to try and keep order in chaos a few people are going to be upset. You have to remember the majority of the people in the shelter are alcoholics, mentally ill, drug abusers and the like. So David Goldstick why dont you share your upscale loft with one of these people for a night and then point your Goldfinger at Rev. Rice
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David Goldstick 08/11/2008 5:16:00 AM
Responsible parents downtown support quality welfare programs such as St. Patrick Center and Centenary CARES. However, responsible parents don't turn the other cheek in response to drug deals, public drinking, harassment and other illegal activities in front of our families. In this way, parents teach their children about humility and respect for the entire community (not just respect for those that break the law.) The law/codes need to be enforced. It's enforced in Kirkwood, why not downtown?
Downtown residents are sensitive to the homeless' plight and seek better partners for their care and transition back to traditional society. But the facts about Larry Rice are enough to disgust about anyone. He preys upon the homeless as a tool for his own personal gain. He also divides any community he is a part of by attacking those who question his methods in degrading the homeless.
Did you know that according to federal court records, he owns $40-50 million in assets? Since the man's organization has such vast riches, why doesn't he fix the NLEC to code? You'd think the safety of the homeless would be important to him.
Get this. The NLEC violates 9 charity standards set forth by the Better Business Bureau: http://charityreports.bbb.org/public/Report.aspx?CharityID=5108. Of the $3.1 million in expenses, only $200k went to the homeless shelter. So where is all the money going? I'm not making any claims, but I wonder what kind of a house he lives in and what if any other financial impropriety is occurring.
I don't understand what you mean when you say that Larry Rice helps the homeless. I have statements from former homeless that indicate he's running more of a cult than a homeless shelter:
- He searches the rooms, taking money, checks and food stamps from the homeless to keep them dependent on him.
- He kept the homeless workers extremely busy and didn't allow them to go on job interviews or even look for them.
- "He has a hair-trigger temper and would scream and cuss like no minister I ever heard."
Enough is enough. This ungodly man that preys upon the homeless and divides the city is unwelcome. We applaud the efforts of the likes of St. Patrick Center who manage a program to establish permanent housing for veterans only a few blocks away. St. Patrick Center doesn't exploit the homeless like Larry Rice. The center will train them and help them get real treatment if necessary. The former homeless will have homes.
It's humiliating enough to be homeless. But to be exploited by Larry Rice is a crime. Please support the homeless and sign the petition.
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Ela Devine 08/11/2008 12:19:00 AM
Rev Rice has been in the city helping the homeless for how long? 30 years? More? Andy Martello moves into the neighborhood last summer and he wants the Reverend to get out? He clearly didn't do his due diligence when he moved there with a 3 year old. When I was looking for an area to raise a child, I considered the general safety and condition of the parks, schools, neighborhood, etc. before I moved in. That's what responsible parents do. Looks to me if he wanted a homeless-person-free environment he should have stayed in Ballwin.
Maybe it's Martello that ought to find a nice park for his child somewhere else.
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David Goldstick 08/10/2008 5:14:00 PM
We have proof that Rev. Larry Rice is not quite the saint he pretends to be. In fact, some of his former residents are speaking out against him. His methods and the information that will soon be made public are pretty damning.
Larry Rice and his minions may attack those seeking the truth, but the truth shall set us free. Just remember, there is no reason to be upset -- unless you have something to hide. And I know you do, because I have heard about it all first-hand from those that have lived with Larry Rice.
Your days as frauds are numbered. The whistle-blowers are coming and the public will be wholly against you once they hear how you operate. The homeless will soon have a new day of hope - a day without Larry Rice using them for his own personal gain. A day with new homeless service providers that genuinely care about the homeless.
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St Louis Anti-Gentrification C 08/10/2008 1:16:00 PM
To Mr. Martello, Ms. Clark and the others downtown that just can't stand the sight, smell and noise of people poorer than them (no complaints about the drunk yuppies that pour out of the Washington Ave bars in the wee hours?):
You may eventually have the police, the city, and some of your neighbors on your side. But we have justice and empathy on ours. If you move to further militarize Lucas Park or shut down a homeless shelter, we will fight back. There's lots of tranquility out in the suburbs, and we won't put up with displacement just because you have the money. There are more of us than you think, and eventually we'll win.
Signed,
the St Louis Anti-Gentrification Committee
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Jeremy 08/10/2008 8:19:00 AM
The homeless will still be there even if you close 1411 locust. There are probably more homeless in the area now that high income people frequent the loft neighborhoods. Who would they beg money from if the loft owners weren't there. Its a shame that artists and low income people got kicked out of the lofts so developers could make a buck. Now there are numerous loft buildings and not many tenants. Dooleys LTD had to close its doors after 40 years so another condo project could get underway. Think about the people that were forced to move out of low income apartments so a over priced loft apartment could be built. When a business is forced to close people loose jobs. Some of those people are probably on the streets now.
People think Larry Rice is a charlatan but you obviously haven't met the people that were once homeless and are now working members of society. Some of the people that go to the shelter have decided to look to the Lord for help and New Life has given them that opportunity. There is a training program for radio and TV broadcasting and renewable energy classes. Most of the homeless that go for shelter could care less about those programs, but a few feel the need to be a productive person and New Life Evangelistic Center gives them that opportunity.
The neighborhood itself contributes to homelessness. The bars and nightclubs harbor alcoholics and drug addicts that could one day end up on the streets too. Velvet, Cheetah, Lo, and Tangerine are closed now, but I used to be a club hopper and saw blatant drug use in all of those clubs. Im positive the clubs that are around now are in the same boat. So open your eyes, homlessness will not go away if you close a homeless shelter.
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ernest 08/10/2008 2:42:00 AM
Poor Mr. Martello! Now your kid is getting a 'REAL' education!
These are the 'bare facts' of life Mr. Martello- you whine about what you find abhorrent- you want to shelter your child from the unseemly realities of our society. Well sir, don't take your kid to see THE WHITE HOUSE! There you will find the homeless living right across the street in Lafayette Park!
What would you do about that Mr. Martello!?
Or you could propose a 'solution' to the 'homeless problem' like the one they used on the homeless children in Brazil a few years ago-circa the 1990's- they sent the police in to kill them rats- Rev. Rice asked the city to give/sell him the old City Hospital- (which is not right downtown) but oh no, we have to give it the developers who want to make a killer profit!
Other buildings Mr/ Rice wanted to gain for his service- but Oh no, you can't do that!
What sense does it make to put JAILS and PRISONS AMONG urban population centers?
But they do it!
It just makes me sick to my stomach to hear about a dude from Ballwin- ('Leave it to Beaver' neighborhood)- who comes to the city and expects to see and 'pure' and 'undefiled' neighborhood!
Mr. Mortello and fellow whiners WAKE THE F**K UP!
I suppose that you voted for W as well!
Grow up and take care of the problem!!!!!!! Don't add to it
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David Goldstick 08/08/2008 11:25:00 PM
Nice sentiment, Angela. However, Larry Rice is not an effective partner in the battle against homelessness and is a detriment to the community. A PR campaign against Larry Rice and in support of homeless and the community at large is just beginning. We will expose Larry Rice's misdeeds for all to see while working to improve the welfare of the homeless and regain respect for all that live downtown.
See more about the campaign here: http://www.urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?p=132708#132708
Also, keep an eye out for the website @ http://larryricetruth.com . He will soon be exposed for the charlatan he is.
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angela richard 08/08/2008 8:18:00 AM
Mr. Garrison, thank you so much for the article titled �The People vs. Larry Rice� in this week�s Riverfront Times. I truly sympathize with Mr. Martello, Wynder, Kelly, and Ms. Clark. After long days at work, who in their right mind would want to come home to or expose their children to persons urinating in public, panhandling, and extreme uses of profanity? I stand in agreement; let us take action now!!!
I vote to boycott every brewery and manufacture of liquor here in the state of Missouri, every retailer, and wholesaler who distributes liquor, as well as every baseball game, restaurant, amphitheater, campground, and casino who sells the garbage in Missouri. Bare minimum this will alleviate the drunks urinating in public! I move to propose a ban against every panhandling Girl Scout, church group, senior class school group, and oh yeah, do not forget the annoying kid who sells the lemonade on the sidewalk. Let us make this a global effort, if we can! Of course, extreme uses of profanity are a no-no. Every parent beware; it is time for home schooling! It is unheard of for an upset parent, group of old friends, or co-workers to come together without the use of profanity to ever surface.
Mr. Garrison, those persons quoted in your article �The People vs. Larry Rice� are educated, problem solvers in which two of the four are committed to the betterment of the people. Therefore, I challenge Mr. Martello, Wynder, Kelly, Ms. Clark, and others who share the same view to find out why there are loopholes in the city code and why has the City of St. Louis allowed homelessness to grow to such a problem. Think fast people, with more layoffs approaching in the St. Louis region homelessness is bound to increase while you ponder.
I challenge you be part of the solution and not a shifter of the problem. Logically speaking, the greater the dilemma you are able to solve, the greater the financial reward you are given. Go ahead; put this thought into action. Although you are able to solve an individual�s hunger (fast food), your compensation is not as much as the individual who can solve chronic joint pain (rheumatologist). Challenge yourselves to solve this greater problem with the greater reward being a person who moved beyond their own comfort zone to help others and the person who made a difference. That is what Larry Rice is trying to do. Picture Mr. Martello being able to tell his son while watching him play on the jungle gym, �Son, do you remember the men that once lived here?� �Well, daddy helped all those men find homes so that they can show their sons like you how much they love them too!�
Lastly, I challenge the above named persons and those who share their views to imagine themselves traumatized by the death of their entire family, imagine psychological disorders that disable them to gaining educational degrees, physical disorders that limit mobility, loss of a spouse to drugs/alcohol, selfish passions or career paths, or worse. Imagine a child, your child, who has experienced such things early in life; how well would a, your child fair if everyone shifted their problem and never reached for a solution? Let us start a petition that protects your investment and God�s investment of human life.
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David Goldstick 08/07/2008 11:39:00 PM
Your post almost made me shed a tear, Mr. Homan. It's now time to welcome you back to reality. This is not a question of solving the homeless problem or not. It will unfortunately never be completely solved; simply because some people don't want to transition back to traditional society.
To be clear, this is a two-fold issue. First, about helping the homeless transition back to society in the best possible manner. Larry Rice's less than stellar reputation in the homeless services community was alluded to in this article, however this will soon be made crystal clear to the public at-large and to our city government.
Additionally, Rice's rhetoric pushes an us (downtown residents) vs. them (the homeless) mentality that is disingenuous and needlessly divides the community. I think most downtown residents are supportive of the homeless and their successful transition back to contemporary society. This thought is unfortunately lost on many who attempt to grasp the facts of this tender issue.
As a downtown resident and homeless advocate, I am sick and tired of this man that claims to be a godly minister and true advocate for the homeless. Any minister I know would work constructively with the social service community in best serving the interests of the homeless and also be sensitive to the community they reside in. This wolf in sheep's clothing does neither.
Larry Rice will be exposed for what he truly is; a charlatan. The homeless and community at-large deserve a more effective partner in the homeless service continuum. Unfortunately Rice is not that man.
Second, the issue of respect for all people -- not just those that are homeless.
Ken, may I ask where you live? Would you mind if your yard and the park your child plays in was consistently desecrated? Do you even have a child? Ken, as the thoughtful Christian you claim to be, I challenge you to open your mind and think about the welfare of not just one part of the community -- but the community as a whole.
With that said, I ask you to read a St. Louis City Code specifically dealing with respect. You will find it in Chapter 11.72, titled "Roominghouse or Hotel Detrimental to Neighborhood." The link is here: http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/cco/code/data/t1172.htm
In that code, you will notice subsection 11.72.050, titled "Determination of detrimental operation of premises." Most if not all the determining factors listed in the city code apply in and around Lucas Park as a result of those that frequent the NLEC. This includes but is not limited to lewd and indecent conduct, public urination and defecation, sale of illegal drugs, littering, etc. A reasonable person would be apt to come to the conclusion that the NLEC is clearly in violation of this city code.
The flames of injustice have been fanning for far too long. The homeless deserve a better service provider, who truly has their interests in mind. And the community deserves a genuine homeless service provider that is not divisive, is respectful, and will work with us. The time for sitting idly by has passed. The time for action is now.
So what can be done to improve services for the homelesss and increase respect for the community as a whole? Here are some ideas to get the conversation started.
In the short term:
- Issue a notice to the NLEC declaring each and every violation. The seriousness of these violations and possible courses of action should be relayed. If Rev. Rice will not work with the community and our government, this includes potentially repealing NLEC's hoteling permit and eminent domain.
- Work with Rev. Rice or other parties in establishing a more suitable shelter that passes code violations.
In the longer term:
- The city and social service community should push for a private shelter run by a more effective and trusted sponsor.
Do you want to help both the homeless and residents? Are you tired of sending in complaints to the Citizen's Service Bureau that accomplishes absolutely nothing? We need your help.
Please sign the petition so your voice can be heard in a hearing at the Board of Public Service. It is located here: http://www.martello.org/NLEC/NLEC_Detrimental.html
No matter if you live downtown or not, please contact your alderman and the Mayor to express your support. Heck, you could even cut and paste this message in an email to them. I think they'll get the picture.
CONTACT Mayor Slay @ http://stlcin.missouri.org/index/contactelect.cfm?ID=1
CONTACT your alderman @ http://stlcin.missouri.org/alderman/WardMap.cfm
Key Aldermen
- BOA President, Lewis Reed
- Alderman, Kacie Starr Triplett (NLEC resides in her ward)
Thanks,
Dave
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Numb 08/07/2008 9:13:00 PM
Whoa, RFT has gone back to covering something approximating news??? After weeks of cougars, online prostitutes, little people and some rocket dude, our brave "alt" weekly hints that it remembers substance. Go hipster-journalists, go! Can't wait to read next week's hard-hitting issue.
Yours,
Numb
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Ken H. 08/07/2008 5:01:00 AM
I find it disgusting that instead of solving the problem of homelessness, we are more willing to throw people out of the only place they have to live. I agree that Lucas Park can be an eyesore, and having relatives who have worked at the nearby library, know that the homeless that live in Lucas Park can be a hassle during the wretched St. Louis heat and humidity. However, the homeless residents, whether by fault of their own or as an unfortunate person caught in the horrible cycle of poverty, are people and deserve as many rights to a home, place to eat and safe haven as the residents that pay for nice apartments and condos in the area. I think a better effort would be looking for public grant money and create greater efforts to aid and volunteer in our community to both solve homelessness and beautify our community. Cleaning up is not synonymous for ending homelessness because the impoverished and homeless are not dirt we can sweep away. Rather they are people we, as a city and a nation (and for both Rev. Rice and Mr. Martello--Christians), have a responsibility to end poverty and homelessness. We cannot say people are dirt that we can sweep away and ignore. We must stand up to homelessness and help radically and lovingly change peoples lives for the better so we can then beautify and clean our city. We can be a great city but we must be willing to work together, not push each other aside.
Sincerely,
Ken Homan SLUH'08