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Andrzej 04/09/2012 8:47:00 PM
Do you believe that there should be a return to segregation?
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MsMay 04/16/2011 3:40:00 AM
What claptrap. Teens have been hanging in the Loop for decades. This isn't NEWS, this is racism in action. The Loop has been a melting pot for many, many years. Sure there is violence there, like anywhere else but this article is slanted and racist- not to mention factually skewed in many ways. I've lived and worked in the Loop since the 70's and the Metro did not bring an element of violence or more teens. Lies, racist slant. Sad in this day and age that this article is so pathetically and blatantly racist. RFT- be ashamed you printed it.
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mememe 12/14/2009 5:00:00 PM
Why not just say blacks ?? Calling them teenagers in not enough description. It is not racist to report facts.
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mememe 12/14/2009 4:59:00 PM
Why not just say blacks ?? Calling them teenagers in not enough description. It is not racist to report facts.
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Angry American 12/26/2008 1:07:00 PM
Wow, stay classy St. Louis. I have never, ever in my entire life seen a city so racist, which is partially reflected in this message board. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of complaining about the problems (blacks and jews as the overall belief on this board seems to be...btw did this article even talk about Jews??), why don't you schmucks start thinking of a solution. You are becoming part of the problem by spreading this hatred and blatant racism. Grow a pair and fix your city, or continue to suffer the downward spiral of violence this city is already incurring.
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kevin 10/15/2008 9:47:00 PM
My favorite thing about racist cowards is how brave they are in private secrecy. These are the same fake cowards that interact with a black person at some point everyday without a hint of what you see when they bang away on the internet.
I actually have a tiny fraction of respect for the cavemen that have the balls to say what they feel in public. You are all cowards.
What I'd love to know is how you disgusting ignorant people STILL can come to the conclusion that your better than ANYONE because of your race.
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David 10/05/2008 11:21:00 PM
This is a typical article about Midwestern idiots who don't see the benefits of mass transit and provides yet another excuse for heartland racist, bigots, rightwing nuts, and elitist to call for less progressiveness within the city. Take a look at Chicago, New York, D.C. and ATL. People � Use common sense with personal security and be an active citizen in being involved in your community to combat issues like crime. Yeah, if a criminal wants to get to your area, they�ll make away, metrolink or not. St. Louis is possibility the most racist city I�ve ever lived in. WHITE FLIGHT IS OVER PEOPLE - IT'S SO LAST CENTURY. GROW UP AND BECOME INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AND STOP DEPENDING ON EVERYONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU!!
P.S. - If any one from metrolink is reading this - you set up sucks. There should be transit police (plural) at every station. You are also losing money because of the stuipid 'trust system' for paying to get on; you can pretty much get a free ride on the metro if there is no one on checking tickets. This is a sad excuse for a transit system - No south city, south county, west county, north city, or St. Charles County stops; what real use is it?
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George Manuelian 09/16/2008 3:38:00 AM
Tripod,
Call me when the shuttle lands.
Go to the black ghetto by yourself and see what happens to you. Have you ever encountered wild blacks in their natural habitat?
Try it sometime. If you're still alive to tell the tale, you'll change your tune.
George Manuelian
Atherton, CA
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Vox 09/14/2008 9:20:00 AM
To Tripod:
When we whites were killing all the jews, regretfully we must have missed you. Stay where you are. We'll send someone by with a portable oven to take care of you.
xoxo
Signed the White Race
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tripod 09/10/2008 11:49:00 PM
Every day I become less and less proud of the human species. Reading these comments made me want to throw up. Whites don't know what it's like to be black any more than blacks know what it's like to be white. Whites are responsible for killing the Jews, starting the civil war and almost all the good AND BAD things about American history. Whites seem to have selective memory... remembering or categorizing good white acts as something all whites do. Just as they categorize all blacks in one group.
My take? Everybody should relax, study hard, get smart and elect local, state and national leaders who can LEAD without being bought. There isn't anything we Americans of every color can't solve.
Lighten up and smile, everybody. Be the solution rather than the problem.
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Scott 09/04/2008 11:56:00 PM
By encoding, you are specifically suggesting that the Creator, whoever the Creator may be, programmed black people to be violent?
Can't buy that argument at all. What I would suggest, instead, is that we constantly hear about, specifically, Africa is still suffering from the after-effects of European colonialism (why Asian colonialism is never mentioned in other parts of the world is beyond me). However, three other large regions of the world were subjected to the same European colonialism, namely Latin America, South Asia (India, Pakistan, etc) and, frankly, North America.
While the North America situation is completely different in that European colonization took hold and never let go, the indigenous populations of North America have their problems to be sure, but nothing like the crime rates we see in the inner cities. Other factors at work there, though, I'm sure.
The big takeaway here, though, is Africa. By comparison, Indian (from under the British thumb) is one of the most dynamic economies on the planet. Latin America looks positively 1st world compared to Africa.
Why is that? I've never seen that sufficiently explained. Bear in mind that we're discussing sub-Saharan Africa. Same basic climate as Latin America and India (tropical and sub-tropical).
Sometimes I wonder if climate doesn't play into this more than most people talk about. Forget the colors of skin for the moment (although lack of abundant sun makes skin with less pigmentation and more makes more). The colder and more varied the climate you live in is, the more adaptation you have to have to survive. This is the key to why I think Europeans got the leg up on the southern hemisphere in the technology arms race.
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Jungle Juice 08/31/2008 8:29:00 AM
These are not isolated incidents. They are genetic encoding within the African.
I always go to WWW . THUGREPORT . COM
For a dose of reality regarding Homie
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George Manuelian 08/31/2008 3:58:00 AM
To all the fools on here who have attacked the "racist" comments by posters who are simply stating the simple facts about blacks:
I dare you to go to the deepest, darkest black neighborhoods in the middle of the night. Let's see how long your goodie-goodie attitudes about the equality of all people last when you're robbed, raped and assaulted by a gang of feral blacks.
Better yet, send your daughter to one of their ghetto schools and see how long they last or how much they learn. Your stupid idealism will be challenged by the cold, hard reality of blacks' nature.
George Manuelian
Atherton, CA
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Wow 08/31/2008 1:37:00 AM
Wow. I like St. Louis, and I like the RFT, but I wasn't too impressed with the article either. I visited the Loop last night and did notice a lot of people roaming the streets, hyped up on free Monster energy drinks. I also noticed a larger police presence. Its a shame that people are getting mugged and jumped. I agree that Metro may be a quick escape route but its also necessary. I rode Metrolink for years and never had any problems. I stayed alert and aware of my surroundings, although there's not much you can do if 20 people are coming at you. I refuse to be afraid to walk around my own city, but there is a staggering amount of crime here. I would love to see more community programs for kids and adults. I know its tough for young people to find free places to socialize these days. What saddens me though is reading all the racist comments from other locals. Do people honestly believe that the color of someone's skin or what part of the city they live in defines who they are? To me, that's the scariest part. For everyone who feels so strongly, I suggest you go ahead and move to an area where you're only surrounded by people exactly like you. Me, I prefer a little diversity. Also, I am glad to read that some people are trying to post constructive solutions to these problems. Now how do we make those ideas become a reality?
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Ben 08/30/2008 8:52:00 PM
The solution to this problem is to start where the problem is said to be. The Metrolink. The Metrolink should implement a curfew for kids under 18 at 5:00PM. There is no reason why kids at this age are not with their parents and are allowed to run loose in the city. Where are these parents anyway? This is not a matter of race. This is a matter of parents being responsible for the kids!
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Hannah 08/30/2008 10:30:00 AM
The easiest solution is no one under the age of 18 allowed on Metrolink trains, busses, or stops without a parent or legal gaurdian.
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Groid 08/30/2008 3:05:00 AM
I guess I can understand black violence. I'd be mad as hell too if I had to look in the mirror and see nappy hair, big lips, protruding jowels, sloped head, flattened nose, flared nostrils....... everyday and think "Man I ahwayz gunna bee dis ugabee"
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Fitz 08/30/2008 12:08:00 AM
The overwhelming amount of racism in these comments is appalling. This is NOT A RACE ISSUE. This is a CLASS ISSUE. Violent crime is committed by low-income people, whether they are black, white, Asian, Latino, etc. It is true that many lower-class people are minorities, but that is NO reason to generalize about minorities, especially when you consider that minorities tend to be lower income BECAUSE OF RACISM, DISENFRANCHISEMENT, AND STEREOTYPES...all perpetrated by white people who buy into stereotypes and don't take the time to GET TO KNOW INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BLACK, ASIAN, LATINO, ETC. Seriously, some of you need to realize that we're living in 2008, not 1850.
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max power 08/29/2008 8:01:00 AM
Christen entry #52-- From what I've studied I would have to assume that I agree that most serial killers are male. Would you be so kind as to furnish some source or sources that will confirm that they are white? Would this consider the percentage difference in population? Also I must take exception that I should blame my ancestors for anything that has to do with the slavery issue. My ancestors were Irish, Indian, Italian, and Chinese in that order. My Irish great grandfather (who I know the most about) was awarded freedom from his "servatude" in 1887,(22 years AFTER 1865) most likely because he had too many children (who unlike the black childen had lesser limits on their legal freedoms) and were a burden on the "host" family. One of his brothers was not as fortunate and "served" until his death around 1895. His sister was emancipated by the "White Slavery Act" in either 1910 or 1912 (I'm not sure of the year but you can look this up). His twin was lynched as he was convicted of a capitol crime. I'm not sure were the lynching took place but I was told that it was in a state that lynched more whites than blacks. This was the accepted capitol punishment of the era. I'm not sure about the rest of his siblings who were "sponsored" to come to this country. Yes this was over 50 years AFTER the more famous emancipaction proclamation. My Indian great grandmother had family members killed in the civil war fighting for the North..I refuse to apologize for that. My Italian Grandfather was not in this country yet, so no history there. My 1/2 Chinese grandmothers dad was a railroad laborer that I don't know a whole lot about so I can only assume that he was pretty much like the tens of thousand of other Chinese railroad laborers and didn't have anything to do with enslaving others. Thank you for your thoughts and may God Bless
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Bernard Goetz 08/29/2008 6:51:00 AM
Some of us remember the case of poor Bernard Goetz that tried to protect himself from black savages and ended up being put in prison for life because the system values the black savage and wants to genocide the white race out of existence. As someone else put it blacks and mexicans are the symptoms, liberals and jews are the disease.
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Jesse 08/29/2008 12:31:00 AM
The reason or causes for increased violence and other non-violent crime in the Delmar Loop and Galleria are infinite. Maybe local business owners, our elected officials, and public servants will help solve the problem, and maybe they won't. However, responsible citizens now aware of the problem can make sure that their person and their loved ones do not fall victim to criminals by arming themselves. In St. Louis, all you have to do is go to a licensed firearms dealer, choose a weapon, pass an FBI background check and arm yourself. If you choose to carry a concealed weapon (including edged weapons) make sure you get a CCL as well. When criminals get the message that law abiding citizens aren't going to be helpless victims, perhaps reckless crimes against people will diminish as they have in other similar situations.
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Lee 08/28/2008 8:04:00 PM
"How are they going to kick me out of the mall? It's racist."
And your actions proved, Dante, that you deserved to be thrown out by destroying property outside of the Galleria!
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Ansa Dis Kweshun 08/28/2008 6:42:00 PM
Sumone ansa dis kweshun: Why are blacks allowed to wear their underwear outside of their clothing and to disguise their identity with hooded sweatshirts yet if a white to do this they would be stopped and questioned. Blacks are allowed to be criminal thugs because lilly livered whites are afraid of them but that doesn't mean all of us. Whenever I see blacks my guard instantly goes up because I know they're natural born thieves and liars and have no conscience or sense of right and wrong. They will look you in the eye and lie and it comes very natural to them. I don't like or trust them and never will because they've given me zero reason to.
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Coffee Fan 08/28/2008 7:59:00 AM
I heard that the Galleria management required the Starbucks location in the mall to remove all copies of the RFT that contained this article.
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SC 08/28/2008 4:15:00 AM
The new curfew. A sensationalistic article had appeared in last week's Riverfront Times entitled, "Blood On The Tracks". The Loop was portrayed very negatively due to the problems that some young teenagers have been causing.
Do not take this out on busnise people that work for a living in the loop. Some of the kids are very respectful.
and kind, they want to come down and see the entertainment and dance, what is wrong with that?
from the west end of the loop
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Doc 08/28/2008 2:36:00 AM
I am glad to see that not all of America is delusional.
Here is website helping to explain this situation.
http://tinyurl.com/5mdty8
Join today and tell 'em Doc sent you!
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RoflWaffle 08/28/2008 1:46:00 AM
the unsavory blacks (as opposed to the good blacks) will overrun the mall like they have done in the past, all the stores will close and all you'll have left is a couple foot lockers and a cellphone supply store.
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Greg 08/28/2008 1:25:00 AM
After reading the articles in the Post about the attacks at or near the Metrolink platforms, and after reading this RFT article, I'm interested in knowing if the two juveniles apprehended for attacking the family returning from vacation are going to be charged with a hate crime. Anyone know?
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Cracker 08/28/2008 12:07:00 AM
BLACKS RUIN EVERYTHING. CLOSE DOWN THE GHETTO-LINK AND LEAVE THE WORKING MAN ALONE! YOU STEAL, KILL, OR RUIN EVERYTHING YOU COME ACROSS! QUIT USING EXCUSES OR EXPECTING HANDOUTS!
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mike 08/27/2008 11:57:00 PM
I think we all know what kind of people are causing this problem and where they are commuting from. I'm tired of trying to be politically correct. The city tried to provide us with some thing good and this is what happens. It should just be called the Ghetto-link instead of the Metro-link. I have gone to the Galleria my whole life and will not even pull in the parking lot anymore. You people that ruin every thing provided to you should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a perfect reason of why St. Louis citizens are continuing to move west. Congrats on ruining yet another good thing provided to you.
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Abe 08/27/2008 9:01:00 PM
Blacks are SUBHUMAN.
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tripod 08/27/2008 3:38:00 AM
I am so sick of st louis. What's wrong with us? Oh, poor little poor kids. Guess what? I'm white, middle-aged and probably rich. How did I get here? Because my parents taught me respect, consequences and a good work ethic. They were alcoholics, hard workers, and could have used some therapy, but I never heard them blame anybody. So if today's Metro-riding young kids have children and don't teach them respect etc., and those children repeat... the cycle continues. This isn't racist. It's behaviorist. Behave nicely and you become a nice person and are treated nicely. Behave like a jerk or a thug or a gang member or a bored "I have nothing to do" teenager and you will remain exactly that. This isn't rocket science.
And, as far as the RFT story goes, I salute every word. Name five things you "pure journalists who are ripping on this story" would add to this story to make it fair and balanced. Let's not forget the KWMU story. Without the RFT the General Manager would still be abusing her position and power.
Democracy is only as good and successful as the level to which its citizens are informed. Quit complaining and blaming. Everybody I know has hardships. It's not my role to find something for kids to do to keep them out of trouble. They should come up with solutions for their lives. I believe that if some "bad" kids came up with "good" solutions, the community would rally to support them.
I would. And I'm probably one of the people the little gangs might attack in the Loop or at the Galleria. They want my phone or my wallet, but if they were nice I'd live them much, much more. I'd help them help themselves.
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Rob 08/27/2008 1:37:00 AM
Blacks and Mexicans are the symptoms, white liberals and jews are the disease. The disease needs to be cured, and it's only going to happen through a violent white revolution, or the western world will revert back into the savage jungle.
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Scott 08/26/2008 4:57:00 PM
...sorry, "weren't previously in"
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Scott 08/26/2008 10:02:00 AM
The fact that a white male was the first boot on the moon not only has nothing to do with this conversation or the problem at hand, but can easily be argued away that a white male accomplished this at the time because nobody but white males were allowed to do so. It's a non-sequitor.
I'm just as pissed off and, let's face it, marginalized in the arena of public discourse as any other straight, white, healthy, married, Christian, male around...but bemoaning the plight of the white "race" has no bearing on this issue.
There is one thing to say, though, in response to the trailer trash comment above. While I agree that the culture around such places is every bit as stereotyped (usually for good reason) as black city neighborhoods, you don't find hordes of stained tanktop-wearing, toothless rednecks causing problems in areas they were previously in prior to the western expansion of Metrolink. Another non-sequitor.
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Tit Vs. Tat 08/26/2008 2:44:00 AM
The white racist is a toothless, redneck, cracker. A victim of his/her own stupidity and lack of education. They are to be ostracized, forbidden and destroyed. They are primitive and primordial.
The black racist is an activist. A modernist, an educated and consciously aware individual. Self-aware and self-taught to see the deception and the lies. The black racist is to be honored and cherished and set apart as a heroic figure. The black racist's message is to be carried amongst the masses as a message of honor and righteousness.
Nowhere but in America could a race (whites) be expected to embrace their own extinction and genocide. But it is now a requirement that the race that created the United States and all it's advancements and contributions to mankind, participate and willfully engage in its own destruction. The first footprints left on the moon are those of the European American not that of an African, Chinaman, Spanish descent......
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Maggie 08/26/2008 2:05:00 AM
A Metro station is in my neighborhood. I wish that Diane Williams, spokesperson for the MetroLink, would come and sit on the bench and watch what gets on and off her train before making ridiculous statements like, "These kids aren't traveling there by Metro. They're coming by car or walking. They're not coming by Metro." Diane, unless there is a summer school that bussed it's students over the summer via the Metro Link into my neighbohood, I can only assume that these children were headed for the Galleria.
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Poppy 08/26/2008 12:18:00 AM
People see the UGLEE BLACK RACISM all around them but when their daughter, girlfriend or wife is raped and murdered by a black savage they say: "OH HE'S FROM A REPRESSED GROUP AND HE'S JUST ACTING OUT OF BLACK RAGE. SO LET'S FORGET THIS EVER HAPPENED AND BLAME WHITES FOR THE UGLEE BLACK RACIST!"
Everyday there are an OUTRAGEOUS amount of black hate crimes being committed but liberals like to keep the black on a short chain and feed it welfare so that the liberal can control the black. This keeps the black chained to the poverty and handouts that keep the liberal in control. This way the liberal can say: "OH WELL YOUR SITUATION IS BECAUSE OF WHITE DEVILS THAT BROUGHT YOU OVER IN SLAVE SHIPS. SO IF YOU WANT YOUR FREEDOM YOU HAVE TO KILL AS MANY WHITE DEVILS AS YOU CAN." Having a slave mentality the black listens to the liberal and kills whites and then receives their cookie.
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Cristen 08/25/2008 11:26:00 PM
OMG the racism in these comments are out of control!! And I don't care whether or not you claim that the racism card doesn't apply and is being overused. RACISM IS APPARENT IN THESE COMMENTS!! Getting rid of the black population is not going to solve anything as far as crime goes. And thinking that you can some how eliminate the black population in America is RIDICULOUS!! Be for real black people are not the only ethnic group that commits crime!! Lets not forget majority of serial killers ARE WHITE MALES!!!! Where have you people been living...in a cave under a rock?!?!? I cannot believe that there are still people in America that still think like you do!! And it is scary that the majority of you do and a good percentage of you call yourselves educated!!! I feel sorry for this country, I feel sorry for all of the ignorance that has been displayed on this message board. Just because you have a few college degrees doesn't make you educated and the master of all knowledge. Degrees just mean you are willing and able to learn information, what that information is up to you. But apparently a lot of you have taken the class "Racism 101." Do not let the negative images portrayed on television and in other media areas fool you not all black people are ignorant and violent. You base your information off of statistics....ok sure that is great and all but don't forget about the statistics that make WHITE AMERICA look negative as well and statistics have also been known to be used incorrectly!!! White people are not all pure and innocent as they would like to believe. Did we forget about Trailer Parks and the madness that goes on there, and who are the majority of occupants in those....LOW INCOME WHITE PEOPLE. And if you have such a problem with black america be angry with your ancestors because I do remember they were the ones who brought my ancestors over here....HMMM or did you forget that. I am sure you would like to forget slavery, but remember it did happen because it is still affecting the country today. I am not a white people basher or whatever you may choose to label me, I am just not going to go quiet and let you think that these comments are acceptable and appropriate. You people disgust me and I pray that you all find enlightenment. Oh and also "Mike from NYC" do not quote me again..thanks!
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Scott 08/25/2008 10:28:00 PM
If you want to blame anyone, blame the Boomers. We'll come back to that in a minute.
First-hand experience in both the Galleria and Northwest Plaza tell me the issue is the culture, not the color. It just so happens that the culture has everything to do with the class and that class is disproportionately inhabited by a given "color". Sorry, but its true. I wish that it weren't, but sadly, 'tis.
However, let's get a couple of basics out of the way first. If you truly believe that blacks are inherently bad because they were never truly civilized or only belong in the jungle, do me a favor and stay the hell off my side. That "reasoning" is completely devoid of any logic and, frankly, intellectually barren. If you want to make the claim that majority white cities have low crime and majority black cities have high crime, well, if you can back that up then you're possibly on the way to having a point. Simply spouting blatantly prejudiced dogma helps nobody but your own sense of self-worth.
On the other hand, trying to talk about this problem WITHOUT mentioning that there are hordes of young, black men involved, simply boggles the mind and history is going to judge you harshly for it. Forget the "why" for the sake of the argument. "why" comes after "what" when identifying and solving a problem.
Why blame the boomers? Well, among other crimes against reason, the boomers brought us political correctness. For that reason alone, liberal thought can be blamed. If for nothing else, modern (and I stress modern) liberalism must answer for political correctness and that absolute chokehold it has placed on our leadership, our people, and the way we deal with each other. Hell, I'm not even a die-in-the-wool conservative, but anyone even minimally observant can come to that conclusion.
So...two things make themselves readily apparant on this particular issue. One, we need a solution and, two, sadly, we cannot count on the black leadership, parents, or communities to do anything to correct it from within. Three, possibly, is that due to the Boomers, as stated above, we cannot count on any external forces to correct the behavior. What's left is external forces DEALING WITH REALITY.
1) Fix the ticket issue with Metrolink. I think everyone can agree to that and I'm absolutely amazed it has gone on this long.
2) Streamline the arrest and punishment process for the shoplifting, loitering and harassment offenses. As a former retail manager in a major mall, I completely empathize with the woman in the article that claimed it was more trouble that it was worth to prosecute. Streamline this so it's NOT and hold these idiot ACCOUNTABLE and PUNISH them for their offenses, doubly so if repeat offenders.
3) Grow some nards about this topic, as the RFT seems to have finally done in merely printing anything about it.
4) Don't ride the Metro until the ticketing thing is fixed and, if and when it is, don't plan on hanging out at a station with your family after dark...I don't care WHAT neighborhood it's in.
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Linda 08/25/2008 8:08:00 PM
Metrolink is not the cause of these issues. It is the lack of involvement by parents in keeping track of their children and what they are doing. They need to be more aware of what their children are doing, where they are going, who they are hanging out with and how they are getting there. Why people decided that the mall is a good place for young people to congregate and hang out on a regular basis is something that I will never understand. I have three children who are now all 19 and above, and they were never allowed to go to the mall on Friday or Saturday evenings unless I went with them.
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Juxtaposition 08/25/2008 2:50:00 PM
Oh so right and oh so wrong!!! Unfortunately Saint Louis is a racist city... but the racism only exists with the few at each ends... just read the other comments.
Marketing Media propaganda wants us to be fixated on racism... Hhhhmmm, wonder why? Its a class war - now people. Wake up America.
To blame it on East-STL is silly. Its a ghost town over there. What population (hordes of kids) are coming from there..... Look up the census figures.
Valid point - Only the black community - can fix itself..... SHAME ON YOU - HipHop - what better medium for empowerment - and the message is ridin' on 22's and pimpin the ho's.... shame on you hiphop... DJ Kool Herc & Grandmaster Flash are weeping....
Booohooo for the affluent at the Galleria...... I think its a great idea they connect the Metrolink to Frontenac.... hahahaha. Who'd want to go to St. Chucks - the land of strip malls anyways...
Unfortunately, a few blacks - mess it up for the majority of black americans - which leads to - today's underlying racism - which won't go away - until the black community fixes itself.....
...and SHAME on you.... all media outlets..... for being "corporate america's" little lap dog..... Why doesn't the news ever show any of the positive things that go on everyday.... instead of the same drama and trauma...??? Turn your TV off people its one big infomercial.
SHAME on the Liberal Mindset, that I should have to Learn "spanish" because of Illegal immigration....... SHAME on you Conservative Mindset.... that thinks we have a low unemployment rate.... because of the rise of service industry jobs.....
Remember the melting pot????? Well lets stop classifying "african-american", "asian-american", etc.... etc.... We're Americans.... I'm white, so I guess I'm "european-american".... sounds kind of lame....
As a white man with friends of all colors...... I can freely say -Blacks using the "slavery-trump" card is BS..... its going to sound even more silly as time goes by.... try using it to justify behavior - 50 years from now.....
Be pissed at the affluent and rich people.... they're the true enemy... wonder why inflation goes up and salary & wages don't???
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george Manuelian 08/25/2008 12:54:00 AM
To all the liberal fools who have posted messages about how we are all equal, etc.
Let's call a spade a spade (no pun intended). Blacks are violent, aggressive creatures who commit the majority of crimes. Whites tried to bring them over here and civilize them, but it has done no good. They still behave as they did in the jungles of Africa -- running around procreating with multiple females, being predators in the urban jungle and preying on the weak. Isolation is no longer a possibility, thanks to liberal social policies which have eroded law and order. Until we solve the black problem in this country, we will only suffer.
George Manuelian
Atherton, CA
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Hapless Liberal 08/24/2008 7:37:00 AM
As a hapless liberal I think we are forgetting that green and purple people are as much to blame as everyone else.
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Franc 08/24/2008 4:03:00 AM
The racist comments have to stop. People who think removing all blacks will solve the problem are misinformed and do not deserve the respect of others. I am white and hopefully moving my way into the upper class eventually through hard work and I cannot stand the people who create all the crime in the city, but I do not care what color they are. There are just as many ignorant, disrespectful white people in the world. How one acts and treats other is not determine because of race. Yes, it is mostly blacks causing the problems, but it isn't because they are black. It is because they have made poor choices. The black community needs to start making the right chocies in order to end the sterotypes and earn the respect of others.
Also, blaming liberalism is as ridiculous as blaming all blacks. I would consider myself a liberal, but I also am firmly against crime and believe that people should be able to feel safe. The important factor isn't conservative vs liberal, it is becoming informed and making smart decisions. All people need to try to understand those with different political ideals and work together to find solutions to these problems. Extremism and polarization does not help and only creates new problems. Both liberals and conservatives have intelligent ideas and deserve the respect of their counterparty.
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George Manuelian 08/24/2008 12:30:00 AM
Wherever blacks are, you can expect high crime, violence and chaos. No matter how much we try to civilize them or control them, their natural penchant for savagery comes out. Liberal social policies have destroyed the only safeguards (such as segregation and even the use of the noose) that kept us safe and society stable.
Now, if Obama gets elected, the USA will probably go the way of Rhodesia and S. Africa. Blacks cannot maintain, organize or lead any large institution. The law of the jungle will rule throughout this country, not just in that shopping mall.
George Manuelian
Atherton, CA
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patric blake 08/23/2008 11:49:00 PM
'blood on the tracks' maybe bob dylan's best but metro link may be st louis county's worst. the clockwork orange underground railroad is bringing the chicken's to new homes to rooooooost! is it any wonder why st charles said 'no way'!? i mean really why would any calm want that storm? and all the tippy toeing around race and our, by now, unresolvable collective guilt confronting the vestiges of slavery is orwellian in it's p.c. "coverage" in the media. not only is the emperor naked but he being robbed and beaten black and blue because of metro's delivery system.
in a round about way metro link just brought the mine shaft to the canary. until the vicious circle of poverty, broken families, drugs, and thug culture are magically replaced with intact families and neighborhoods we will all be 'commuting' in a conunfuckingdrum.
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Oy Vey The Goyim 08/23/2008 10:48:00 PM
Jews coined the slur "goyim" long ago to refer to the uninformed non-jew. The Jews have chosen this word wisely. It means cattle or beast of burden. Meant to do the heavy work for the self "Chosen Ones". The ignorant flamethrowers and aplogists are the �goyim�, or cattle, that the Jews have created. These gentiles believe what the Jews want them to believe and are therefore unsuspecting, helpless cattle being led to their own slaughter.
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Boink 08/23/2008 10:06:00 PM
The Delmar Loop has gone from an Amsterdam back alley to Planet of the Apes.
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Scott Jones 08/23/2008 8:13:00 PM
OP wrote:
"The reason I shop online is to avoid trouble with these "youths". With all the crime at the malls, I prefer to keep my family safe. A fractured eye socket is serious, not "fun" as stated by that father !!! Connecting ESL to the West was a HUGE mistake of Biblical proportions. No wonder the malls in this area are failing and being sold at alarming rates. Westfield pulled out of Saint Louis due to the crime at their malls. I feel as though we should cut all ties with ESL...let them steal a car and drive over here, why give them our cars ??!!"
Huh, are you kidding me. Do you think these thugs all originate from ESL? Get a clue. ESL is so small that they are a rounding error in the problem. Do you really think ESL is worse than the Norf City and now Norf County problem municipalities? There are many many times where the STL criminals are committing crimes then drive across the river to dump the body or burn the car in a coverup.
I happen to live in IL and have had my house robbed and a car stolen. I know where the thieves were from because we turned on the tracking system and watched the car go to Riverview and then to finally have it dumped on MLK.
WTF--you STL clueless idiots (a small minority) need to wake up and realize that IL is not the problem. Criminals are the problem.
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Rob 08/23/2008 4:51:00 PM
Say it -- Diversity is NOT our strength. Diversity is our misfortune. White people are our strength. The White heterosexual family is the foundation of civilization.
Nothing goes right, until we go White.
www.govnn.com
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Enoch 08/23/2008 11:21:00 AM
Welcome to the "black" plague........this is what happens when you let animals congregate in any civilized area and anyone who thinks/says that this has anything to do with their economic status or class is either stupid and don't know any better or just lying to themselves and everyone around them.
I've lived ALL OVER this country, because of my career field (which BTW, I have 2, count'em TWO, Masters degrees, so that whole "only stupid people are racially aware" argument is complete BS), and I can tell you, hands down, this behavior is all about their "culture" and what the previous generations encourage them to do, and it doesn't matter WHERE you go, no matter where they live, no matter how much money they have, they destroy everything they come into contact with....and anyone who has EVER lived around these savages for any length of time will tell you the same.
I have come to find that blacks as a general rule live by one rule, and one rule alone...and that is:
"I don't care if it's right or wrong, I only care what's in it for me, and if I'm screwing white people over in the process, then it makes it that much better because they owe me, and any white person who dares to be critical in any way, shape, or form is a automatically a racist."
It's the same reason why it isn't just shoplifting we're talking about here, but VIOLENT ATTACKS by PACKS of these animals on whites and anyone else that ISN'T black....and anyone who thinks that this problem is going to get any better without removing the metro-stations connectivity to St Louis is sadly mistaken, and GUARANTEE, the violence and theft is ONLY going to get progressively WORSE.
The really sad part about this is the INSTANT they really start cracking down and arresting these sub-humans, the first thing that's going to happen is...
You guessed it
"Da cops just be racist, yo."
Just like the little bastard bleated out in the article.
And watch how quickly the NAACP and the ACLU, along with Al "race-pimp" Sharpton and Jesse "Hyme-town" Jackson will swoop in to sue everyone into oblivion and blame white people the instant one of these thugs gets hurt by the cops.
I swear, libtards and democraps should be forced to have these sad excuses for human beings living in their home for a year....then we'd see just how "tolerant" they REALLY are.
"Multi-Culturism" and "Diversity"....had enough of it yet?
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kristin 08/23/2008 9:40:00 AM
Look up the listings on the most safe cities and the most dangerous cities. The safest cities are the ones with a large white majority and the most dangerous are the cities with the large black populations. The article mentions East St Louis, guess what? 97% black and an astounding crime rate. This is not only true in the united states but in other western nations that have black populations as well. The same sets of problems seem to follow blacks whenever you find them.
It is not politically correct, but It is perfectly fair to say that blacks are the problem, here. I know most people, even those who object and throw around terms like racist, know this is true somewhere in the back of your minds. It doesn't make you an evil person to simply admit reality. It also doesn't make you ignorant. Ignorant is lack of knowledge. If you lack knowledge about the realities of the black crime rate, that is ignorance.
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White And Proud of It! 08/23/2008 8:58:00 AM
One only has to look at the past decade of advertising to see the shift toward the liberals utopia fantasy world. There's the black male front and center with the white female so close she's nearly stroking his savage barbarian physique, then comes the gender neutral female, the asian, and following up the pack (way in the back) is the pussified white male, looking disheveled and wimpy, unable to cast his eyes towards the others. Nothing like propaganda to try and force an agenda. Blacks are failures, billions have been tossed at them to try and bring them up. It's a waste of time to keep throwing money at a failed race.
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flyover 08/23/2008 8:41:00 AM
Excellet reporting. Finally, someone has the guts to tell it like it is.
My wife and daughter refuse to go to the Galleria anymore. They tell me West County and Chesterfield Malls are packed these days.
Metro will never work until turnstiles are installed and laws are changed that allow police to charge minors with ticket theft. This policy is so stupid you wonder how anyone can justify it with a straight face.
This article will kill the Metro tax increase and force Metro to get its house in order. The only way they can sell the tax increase is to promise to expand Metro to West County. It will lose more money requiring more taxes and after reading this, who out there is going to support it?
Black people. Get off the racist crap. Nobody is buying that load anymore. You've got a black guy running for president. Tell these teen/thugs to get a job. Then they will be welcomed by merchants everywhere.
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Mike 08/23/2008 6:11:00 AM
Cristen wrote:
�It is not just the black youths commiting [sic] crimes, it is the white ones too, but FOR SOME REASON (sarcasm) we choose to focus on the black ones.�
THAT REASON is that overall non-white crime rates are much higher than overall white crime rates. Simple, huh?
alwaysmore wrote:
�The black community has to clean itself up before the white community is going to welcome them as neighbors.�
The black so-called �community� has had decades to clean up its act. My patience has run out, and so has that of many whites.
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brinstl 08/23/2008 5:26:00 AM
There's been a theory floated in the past that integration is NOT a good idea! hmmm...
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Elizabeth 08/23/2008 1:28:00 AM
As some others have already stated, Metrolink needs to enforce the pay before you ride scheme. With most public transportation systems you can't even reach the platform without paying for a ticket. You can't get on a bus without a ticket or a fare. Why did they make Metrolink access so easy to steal? There will always be people regardless of age or race who will take advantage of an easy situation. Metrolink is not causing people to act violently or dishonestly, however it could take some actions to protect both it's riders and it's bottom line.
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Co-Dependent No More 08/23/2008 12:32:00 AM
Growing up I had an alcholic father that as a family you were required to keep the "family secret" any slips up where the secret was revealed to the outside world was dealt with swift and often severe punishment. Liberalism and communities like St. Louis treat people the same way. Whenever the "dirty little secret" of black racism is revealed those revealing the "family secret" are dealt with in severe and harshly administered terms. The people that open up the dialogue and say "well you've got to deal with the black racism that makes these blacks target whites for their hate crimes before you can solve the problem" are dealt with lighting fast responses and harsh inflammatory words:
"YOU RACIST! YOU HATER! WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES TOO! THESE YOU AFRICAN-AMERICANS (ARE NOT AMERICANS BUT SOMETHING ELSE) ARE JUST ACTING OUT BECAUSE YOU WHITE BASTARDS HAVE REPRESSED THEM FOR SO LONG!! GET OFF THEIR BACKS (AND PAY THEM!!)! WHY DON'T YOU TRY HOLDING THEIR HAND OR GIVING THEM A HUG? THEY NEED A HUG BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD ANYONE TO HUG THEM WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE TINY BABIES DREAMING OF ONE DAY BECOMING ASTRONAUTS AND SCIENTIFIC GENIUSES! INSTEAD THEY HAVE TO ACT OUT SO THEY CAN GET THE LOVE THEY NEED! GIVE THEM LOVE NOT HATE! THEY INVENTED EVERYTHING FROM PEANUT BUTTER TO ROCKET FUEL BUT YOU WHITE RACIST HATERS STOLE EVERYTHING FROM THEM! NO WONDER THEY'RE ANGRY, YOU STOLE ALL YOUR ART, YOUR LANGUAGE, YOUR SCIENCE, YOUR CULTURE FROM THEM AND LOCKED THEM IN GHETTOS........."
I'm sure you've heard this all before. It all comes down to decades of indoctrination of whites that they are responsible for everyone else's sins. That only whites should feel a sense of personal responsibility and that everyone else is a victim whether it be blacks and slavery or all whites are responsible for the holocaust and need to build memorials in the US for something that happened in Europe. Every other race is allowed to have exclusive clubs and "Black Pride/Black Power" "Gay Pride/Gay Power" "Jewish Pride/Jewish Power" etc. except for whites. Whites have been locked out of their own culture and prevented from protecting it. Whites are now to be considered "openly protected targets" for all other groups to prey on and victimize without any retribution whatsoever. I think that more people need to wake up and realize that liberalism, diversity and multiculturalism is destroying society and are failed religions.
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alwaysmore 08/23/2008 12:28:00 AM
OK, let's be more accepting of diveristy...well, when you dress and act like a thug....yes, you are one and will be treated like one. Let's see where we go from here:
Let's put the plural back into the word parent. Having babies is a serious responsiblity and the black dad who acts only as sperm donor is beneath contempt and a cancer on society. Stay in school (finsih high school, at least) and be real students who can keep quiet in class and value learning. No babies until you are married. Hate crime and report it (stop this don't snitch on a brother attitude). Stop being "victims" and feeling entitled and behave like a civilized person in shcool, on the street and at the Galleria and on Metro Link
As a group, white people will cross the street to stay away from any thug-looking person. Why is that such a shock to the PC generation? That is simply a survival instinct. We are taught be what we see every night on the news and on BET videos. How to change it? That must start with the black community who has the disproportionate amount of criminal behavior that scares the #### out of normal people.
I have traveled to many large cities in Europe and used public transportation in every one. I was never afraid from my life or wallet, in fact, I found it to be SAFE and efficient. The cops and the public work together to drop the hammer on any jerks that offend.
MetroLink could be the same, if ridership was paid for by all riders (no exceptions---enforce by security with teeth in the fines and jail time for those that abuse). Any bad behavior on Metrolink needs to be dealt with quickly and severely...not racist---colorblind, but without safety, ridership and support for tax proposals will dwindle.
Once the criminal element is removed from ridership (not a utopian dream; it can be done), then St. Louis will prosper under the light rail umbrella. Tax proposals will be passed and Metro Link can grow to serve the community like it should.
In the meantime, St. Charles people will continue to feel justified paying $4.00/gallon to keep their city safe. Inless and until measures are taken to clean up Metro Link this will be a small price to pay.
Segregation and "racism" cure is a two way street. The black community has to clean itself up before the white community is going to welcome them as neighbors. That is just a plain and simple fact. It must come from within...perception is reality, so if you look and act like a thug...well the duck story applies here people. Not too difficult too comprehend.
So, black pastors, parents (plural and urban leaders need to change to tone and focus of the value system. Enforcing behavior standards is not racism, it is the way out of those "Jim Crow" attitudes from the white community who have the means to flee crime if they wish. They will vote with their feet and could care less if you want to call them racists.
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Cristen 08/22/2008 11:34:00 PM
I also forgot to mention...the Metro Link does need tougher security. I have taken a ride on the Metro Link many times and there is either no security guard or one on the platform. They need to have security on the trains as well as on the stations preventing people from riding for free. There needs to be tougher consequences for people who steal rides on the Metro Link because as of right now in people's minds...there aren't any.
Please excuse my typos in my previous message. I was really excited. :)
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Cristen 08/22/2008 11:27:00 PM
After reading this article and being a young black Adult I have to be honest and say that I do believe that the Metro-link is bringing some crime to the Galleria. HOWEVER, I will not entirely blame the Metro-Link because if criminals want to come to the galleria they are going to get there regardless, whether it be by bus, metro-link, or car. I have been going to the galleria since I was a teenager and I can tell that it has changed over the years. At times I do admit I do not want to go to the Galleria on the weekend or during the week in the summer due to the large amount of teens. Have I ever gotten harrassed or bullied by the teens...No. But with such a large quantity of them in the mall and from recent events with violence it does cause me some worry. However, how does the Galleria expect to help elevate the crime if they are too lazy to report it??? Come on now be serious. If you are going to complain about the crime do your part and press charges!! And as far as the Delmar Loop, I have also been going there since I was teen and I do believe they should implement a curfew for the teen at like 10 or 10:30 because honestly there isn't anything else for under age people in the Delmar loop after that time. I do believe that the Police should be more present to deter crime. I also believe there should be more activities for the youth after school and on the weekends. The problem is that no one wants to host anything for the youth because often times it leads to violence. SO I am pointing the fingers at the parents. Parents should instill respect, morals, and a sense of responsibility in their children EARLY so that when they become teens they won't think that it is ok to rob, fight, and destroy property. So many parents are trying to be their kids friends or some just aren't trying to be parents AT ALL. They expect the schools to teach their children EVERYTHING. PROBLEM: School districts can't teach children everything, parents have to do their part as well. And let's not forget alot of the school districts in STL are too great. We also have to stop labeling every urban youth as a thug or assume that they are going to be violent or disrespectful. I went to Normandy High School, I have a Bachelors Degree and am currently working on my Masters. I grew up in a not so good area, but I wasn't one of the so called "bad kids" because my mom taught me about respect for self and others and if I commit a crime or do something wrong there will be consequences. Back in early 2000 there were more after school programs for students and yes there were still violent crimes going on at the same time but now there are hardly anything to do for the youth so of course they are going to get board and may decide to commit crimes. POINT BLANK PERIOD: parents need to step up, school districts need to step up, & the police dept need to step up. Also this article has really made me remember that Racism is not dead in STL. It is not just the black youths commiting crimes, it is the white ones too, but FOR SOME REASON (sarcasm) we choose to focus on the black ones. STL needs to become more accepting and more diverse and get out of that "jim crow" state of mind.
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alwaysmore 08/22/2008 11:01:00 PM
Just too special to see a grain of real truth coming from the RFT. The St. Chuck people thought the metrolink in their city would only trasnport the criminal elelment to their community and now those fears are validated.
Getting tough on crime just makes the PC crowd downright nervous. Protect and serve please...when we get more cops in the Galleria, they leave? What a shock. I hope that we did not hurt their feelings.
Aroragance and violent behavior in the black hip hop culture is enabled by these libs with their head in the clouds, ignoring the elephant in the room. May I remind you of the demise of Gaslight Square? A few stabbings started the downward death sprial of that place and Joe Edwards better look to that example...it can happen fast and will, if the U-City cops do not get tough.
There is so much investment in the Galleria that Richman Heights and Clayton will be forced to clean up this criminal element who has "no place to go". Excuse me....go to work! Get a job...earn the money to buy the clothes that you are trying to steal now.
You stand out like sore thumbs in your dreads, sagging pants, and obnoxius attitudes. Who could pick you out? How about the young one, who was escorted out of Galleria (has no business there in the first place) and trashed property outside, because he was "mad" and called the cops "racist"...waht a joke he is..about a year in the slammer, might correct such vandal style behavior...he does not get it does he?
When will it end? I don't know. Poverty and crime go hand in hand, but they need more than one parent in the home, a set of morals and rules that they are taght by those parents, standards of behavior enforced at a VERY early age in school, leadership that tells them they are not "victims" ,but repsonsible for their own behavior.
Stop letting them get away with crimes. Get security at every Metro link stop and enforce ridership payment for ALL. Under 17 ride free and spit in the ey of security? Jail awaits.
Gangs are the cause of a large amount of this behavior, but the limosine libs need to smell the coffee and get with the program. Stop tolerating such behavior.
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Franc 08/22/2008 9:25:00 PM
It isn't fair to say blacks are the problem. Just because one is black doesn't make them a criminal or worth less than a white person or a person of any other origin/appearance. It more of a class issue as the people that are causing the problem are all lower class. Unfortunately, the lower class in St. Louis is dominated by blacks and thus people tend to make it soley a race issue. One can't help become prejudiced against certain types of people (as noted not by the color of their skin, but how they present themselves and act)when those people are causing all types of crime and violence. I am firmly against the ridiculous behavior of the people in the malls, Loop, North County, etc, but I don't care what race they are. People from the lower classes need to stop blaming others and taking their frustrations out on each other and people who either worked hard and became successful or who had the good fortune to be born into wealth. However, the wealthy and better-off also need to not look down on the poor with contempt and be willing to help improve the quality of life in all of the city. St. Louis is difficult city because of the segregation that exists which creates constant tension between neighborhoods and often people of different ethinic backgrounds. Everyone needs to be accountable for what they do and how their actions either hurt or help the larger environment of the city.
On a separate note related to the article, the Metro should become a vital part of our city and the main focus of transportation. It should be available to all parts of the city and the stigma associated with public transportation needs to be removed. The subway and trains in NYC reach all parts (good or bad) of the region and is the backbone for most transportation. With the growing western sprawl of St. Louis and the high energy costs, it is essential that St.Louis embrace high quality, clean public transportation to be able to adapt for the future. The time is passing when it is practical and acceptable to use cars as the primary mode of transportation.
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MCH 08/22/2008 9:10:00 PM
While I don't think Metrolink in itself is the sole cause of these problems, I will agree with a previous comment.
One of the major problems with Metrolink is that they don't have turnstiles or any other way to enforce that people actually pay for a ticket to ride. Yes, they have random checks of tickets by security officers on board, however I have seen many people who train hop from station to station. They will locate the security guard on one end of the train and board the other end to travel one stop and then climb off. I especially see this in younger riders, i.e. teenagers and often in moderate size groups. Until Metrolink actually enforces that all riders pay for their tickets before reaching the platform, they will continue to have problems like this and enable people who are looking to cause trouble.
That being said, I do think public transportation in the form of light rail is a great thing and I often ride from the station near my house to downtown events. It just needs to be done better than it is now and needs to allow access to more locations. If ridership was up among law abiding citizens who could actually get to a destination they wanted to travel to, crime on board would likely go down as well. This type of system can work here as it does in other cities it just needs some retooling.
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Veg 08/22/2008 10:16:00 AM
Lets run that Metro Link right to Plaza Frontenac then if its not the train! Just bringing in more business for Neimans and Saks! Right!
This article is fantastic. The MetroLink is a failed dream that belongs in a planned city where people live within walking or biking distance to it, not St.louis. Fools and their tax $ are soon parted! I agree with all the posters that say "they get what they deserve!!!!"
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Carl in Alaska 08/22/2008 6:46:00 AM
The first step in dealing with this type of "wilding" is to admit the blacks cause a disproportionate part of the problem. We need to quit making excuses for black misbehavior. Even one black leader, Rev. James Manning is calling on us to get off our duffs and quit enabling black misogyny. Here's the YouTube video where he addresses the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aIvfFq3BA
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Mike 08/22/2008 4:32:00 AM
More non-whites = more crime.
Fewer non-whites = less crime.
Not hard to wrap your brain around that, now is it?
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Frank Toliver 08/22/2008 3:07:00 AM
Sara wrote 'Fearmongering, racism and dishonest reporting -- all in one screeching article...' It is nice that you can continue to lie to yourself. How can someone of your sensibilities be a judge of dishonesty, when you are, by your very outlook in life dishonest. Oh, the shoplifters have a 99.999% correlation between race and behavior? Oh, it's that .001% that makes the exception, therefore you can't say it is ALL the fault of one group. The article is false in one aspect; they will call 23, 25, and 27 year old blacks who attack people, shoplift, urinate in public, and vandalize areas teens and youths.
How about you libs and snobs just stop lying to yourself, and admit the truth of the problem; when you let blacks into your area, you get filth, theft, and violence.
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Frank Lee Mydear 08/22/2008 2:18:00 AM
Not to mention black hate crimes are being covered up by the local media.
White on black crime - "A National Outrage"
Black on white crime - "Oh well, they just need to get slavery out of their system. Whitey's to blame."
Thanks jews for your diversity slop, now you get to deal with the problems you created!
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Ha Ha Libs 08/22/2008 2:14:00 AM
Ha ha libs, you've encouraged black racism for four decades and now it's coming to haunt you! Your diversity and multicultarlism is a failed religion!
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The Enablers 08/22/2008 2:03:00 AM
Violent white teens (labeled) skin heads, white supremacists.....
Violent black teens (labeled) spirited youths, young teens, mischevious teenagers.....
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Mike Jones 08/22/2008 1:59:00 AM
Right on JonnyBlaze. This Chris Rock routine should be required viewing in all high schools. Maybe then the kids will learn the difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZtQUEY1IU8
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Vox 08/22/2008 1:58:00 AM
Liberals were okay with and encouraged the violent black thugs when they destroyed North County and its malls but now that the thugs have come home to roost in the liberal areas, the libs are outraged "Hey, you need to be destroying working class white neighborhoods not eclectic liberal enclaves!!"
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Paul 08/22/2008 1:53:00 AM
Start charging a toll. If someone will use Metrolink as a getaway for shoplifting at the Galleria, then they're not paying to ride.
And this article totally ignored the other points of view surrounding the issue and sensationalized this story by implying that Metrolink is enabling criminal activity - just lazy, shoddy journalism. Where were the front page articles talking about the rise in St. Louis gang violence, loss of infrastructure and leadership, and decreased education in these teen's communities? It's okay to ignore the causes of criminal activity among teens as long as it stays in certain neighborhoods. I will never pick up anothe RFT.
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Michael 08/22/2008 1:28:00 AM
The reason I shop online is to avoid trouble with these "youths". With all the crime at the malls, I prefer to keep my family safe. A fractured eye socket is serious, not "fun" as stated by that father !!! Connecting ESL to the West was a HUGE mistake of Biblical proportions. No wonder the malls in this area are failing and being sold at alarming rates. Westfield pulled out of Saint Louis due to the crime at their malls. I feel as though we should cut all ties with ESL...let them steal a car and drive over here, why give them our cars ??!!
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holey pockets 08/21/2008 11:05:00 PM
as a former employee of cresthood plaza i fully agree with the sentiment! who knew toddlers in strollers could be accomplices to theft!?
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L.M. 08/21/2008 10:41:00 PM
This article could not be any more on the money. I have worked a 2nd job at the Galleria since 2005. It used to be a very nice, quiet place to shop. Sadly, the kids have ruined everything. I have been pushed, threatened, and shouted at by shoplifters. They are so blatantly nasty and in your face, it is outrageous - Ask any employee who has worked there for a few years. We are the ONLY store out of our chain in Missouri that is considered a "Target" (high theft) store, all because of our location and losses yearly. I wish I knew what the answer is, but if they're not careful, The Galleria will be looking like CrestHOOD Plaza soon.
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wow 08/21/2008 7:58:00 PM
wow no way to penalize young people who steal their ride. cant even kick them off. i ride metro everyday and there are a lot of young people who ride and cause trouble. I did not know that they can ride for free without any penalty. that is crazy. it makes you wonder where your tax money is going.
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Katie 08/21/2008 7:55:00 PM
Ces's comments are right on the money. I started reading this article when I picked up a copy of the RFT. The cover is threatening and foreboding.
So the arrest rate at the Galleria in 1998 was 902 (well before the MetroLink expansion) and this year it may hit 690? And this is the fault of MetroLink?
A lot could be accomplished if the "victims" would actually take the time to prosecute. With the attitude "It's not worth the hassle," the crime will never stop.
I am very disappointed in the RFT for this article. Now that the Post no longer does much investigative journalism, I count of the RFT. This article is sensationalism at best.
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john 08/21/2008 2:44:00 PM
1. Change the law so that ANY person who rides the Metrolink without paying is fined $1000+. Help pay off the lawsuit loss. Mommy and daddy don't dig this, you better stop.
2. Make every bridge that crosses the Mississippi, Missouri, and Meramec River a toll bridge. Use that money for bridge upkeep and Metrolink expansion. Welcome back to the city friends!!!!
3. We have no where to go!? Yeah, neither did we so we're going to change it. Open all city and county parks during summertime til state/county/city curfew laws go into effect. Provide accommodation's for teen social interaction. Dances, biking, DJ competitions, battle of bands, swimming, car shows, boxing, etc. Get kids from local schools to help make these events happen. I think I would've enjoyed a few of those if they were around when I was a kid. Oh wait they were and I did, just not made as convenient.
Hmmm... that's a good start no?
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Sara 08/21/2008 6:46:00 AM
Fearmongering, racism and dishonest reporting -- all in one screeching article. Yes, St. Charles voted against transit in the late 90s and now they're stuck with $4/gallon gas and long commutes while others in the metro area can park their cars and use inexpensive transit. And, surprise, Metro provides millions of rides every year to regional residents -- white, black, young, old, middle-class, lower-income -- to work, school, Cardinals games, shopping. Yet all you could focus on was a negative situation that everyone, once you got past the sensational first page, says they're addressing and will solve. Many of us in Madison County hope to be in line soon for a MetroLink that serves us, too. We understand value and won't fall for your line of fear. Hopefully St. Louis County residents won't either and will approve that referendum in November so that Metro's transit system can expand for us all into the future.
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Jonathan Blaze 08/21/2008 6:45:00 AM
Almost 15 years later, Chris Rock's immortal words still live true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZtQUEY1IU8
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Gil 08/21/2008 4:56:00 AM
Black people. Is there anything they can't f*** up?
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Steve Miller 08/21/2008 4:41:00 AM
Yikes!!
That article is scary. I wasn't voting for the tax increase before(because the idiots did that lawsuit and LOST megabucks). Sorry Charlie, NO SALE!!!
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cls 08/21/2008 3:10:00 AM
This article completely misses the point. Shallow journalism at best, fear-mongering at worst. Was this taken from the Fox News School of Reporting? The problem isn't the train. The problem is the behavior. It's the fact that teenage kids are roaming around doing disruptive things. Who cares how they get around? They will just move around to different areas. No knee-jerk responses are going to fix this problem. It's going to take partnerships between Metro, the police department, local businesses, community groups, churches and parents to find a way to keep these kids out of trouble. I didn't even see one mention of what kind of programs exist in the city and county for teenagers.
The author missed out on a great opportunity to have an actual intelligent discussion about a very big problem in St. Louis. It's a shame.
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td 08/21/2008 1:13:00 AM
Metro Link needs to setup gates and turnstiles to force people to pay to ride, like most city transit trains. That would put an end to thugs jumping on and off. Also, it would generate revenue for Metro Link, since more than likely half of the riders do not pay, as it is.
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Kelly 08/21/2008 1:12:00 AM
I agree with the 10p.m. curfew. Obviously parents of these teens aren't doing there job so the businesses and community are going to have to do it for them, if you don't behave you get punished by having a curfew...that's the way life works. I tired of coddling these kids, they've been handed so much, why are they out causing trouble and not working? If they are getting around by car, how are they affording that? I call BS on that, you know they are taking the MetroLink, why are they allowed on if they don't have a ticket? Who ends up paying?
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Heather Woodside 08/21/2008 12:10:00 AM
I know crime is up in the city. Reports of multiple shootings in a night are often too frequent, almost night after night. Teenagers seem to have fun by jumping anyone just for the fun of it and I don't understand why. I don't think the Metrolink should anyway be held responsible for doing their job, which is making it easier for people to get around in our city--which stats show help make a city grow and prosper. We should respond to the problem by looking to our uniformed men and women to help keep our streets safe. Imposing a curfew is not unheard of and getting to the real issues behind the problems--such as summer and after school programs and parents knowing what their kids are doing and where they are doing it is the logical and most responsible thing to do. Metrolink and other types of public transportation are vital to a growing city, especially successful ones.
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Grenache 08/20/2008 11:40:00 PM
"How are they going to kick me out of the mall? It's racist."
It isn't racism if one is getting kicked out because of an age issue. There's no denying that the curfew affects african americans more than any other group, but that doesn't change the fact that enough problems occurred that a rule was needed. The fact is that all of the teenagers involved have parents who should be doing more to instill respect and courteousness into their kids. Even if these teenagers don't have parents, they all should have the personal accountability to treat people decently. It isn't race that is making these people assault others, it is a lack of respect for others and the consequences for having a lack of respect is what caused the curfew.
