"A lot of times in today's music, a lot of engineers are starting to dip their toe in that pond of production, whether they realize it or not," he says. "There's times when I'm like, 'Have you ever tried shortening this section, or that section?' Technically, that could be construed as that's a producer that's doing it, [I'm] editing the arrangement of the song.

"But [more often] I'm just a guy trying to listen, because the song is too long for me, it's losing my attention, or it's just redundant. I just think of it as, like, I'm just a dude giving you a quick first impression, and you're rolling with it."

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