Execute him, deport the lot. No refugee or asylum for Islam any more than the past century. Why change today?
By Lindsay Toler
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Editor's note: The writer obtained unreleased police records for this story. The narrative also is based on interviews, court documents and Internet comments.
Noor Almaleki typed a text message to a friend.
"Dude," she wrote at 1:06 p.m. last October 20, "my dad is here at the welfare office."
But his presence both startled and alarmed her. She knew he wouldn't rest until he'd regained complete control of her life.
Noor was the first-born of Faleh and Seham Almaleki's seven children. Her first name means "light of God." The Almalekis had moved to the United States from Iraq when Noor was four.
Noor was thoroughly assimilated into American culture but kept in touch with her Iraqi roots (she was fluent in Arabic) and considered herself a Muslim, the same religion as her parents. But she had moved away from her parents in early 2009 (not for the first time) after another blowup over how she was living her life — tight jeans, makeup, boyfriends, modeling photos and an attitude that screamed independence and self-determination.
The clashes escalated in 2008 after Noor, who was eighteen at the time, left her marriage to an older cousin in Iraq — her father had "arranged" it — and returned to the Phoenix area.
Noor sent her text message from inside an Arizona Department of Economic Security office. Seated next to her was Amal Edan Khalaf, her boyfriend's 43-year-old mother.
Amal was there to complete a change-of-address form for welfare benefits. She too is Iraqi by birth, but moved to the States only about a decade ago, and her proficiency in English was such that Noor came along to help translate.
Noor had lived at Amal's residence since leaving her parents' home after the latest fracas.
It was bad enough that she was living with Amal, whom Faleh and his wife, Seham, had known for years and considered unfit as a mother and wife (she was separated from her husband at the time).
Noor's boyfriend and Amal's son, nineteen-year-old Marwan Alebadi, also lived there, and the Almalekis — particularly Noor's father — were enraged and shamed by the situation.
From their perspective, a man's daughters are his property, and they are supposed to live with him until he decides otherwise.
Females who stray from the fold — or are perceived to have strayed — are considered guilty of dishonoring their clans. To an Iraqi there's nothing worse.
The alleged wrongdoing often revolves around sexual "immorality," but not always.
Riffat Hassan, a retired University of Louisville professor and expert on the Koran, says, "Muslim culture has reduced many, if not most, women to the position of puppets on a string, to slavelike creatures whose only purpose in life is to cater to the needs and pleasures of men."
The Almalekis were proud members of that "Muslim culture."
By moving in with Marwan and Amal, Noor Almaleki had made it clear that she would not be her father's puppet, his "slavelike" creature.
She was determined to live how — and with whom — she wished.
Some cultures, including the Almalekis', endorse ancient methods of "cleansing" a family's supposedly tarnished name — with the blood of its daughters, sisters and wives.
In India, Hindu and Sikh brides are sometimes slain because their dowries are considered inadequate, the United Nations Children's Fund reports.
In Islamic Middle Eastern countries, there's a name for the homicides of women by male family members: "honor killings."
These murders of loved ones are as personal as it gets, usually committed with knives, machetes or bare hands.
Victims have been tied up and buried alive. The father and grandfather of a sixteen-year-old Islamic girl in Turkey did just that a few months ago, after someone reported seeing the girl talking with boys.
No one can say exactly how many "honor killings" occur, but anecdotal evidence (from news accounts and government data) suggests that hundreds of Muslim women and girls die this way every year.
Such killings by Muslim immigrant men are reported in Western nations as well: Five were accused of murdering female kin in the United States between the start of 2008 and October 20, 2009.
That was the day Faleh Almaleki, an unemployed 48-year-old trucker with no criminal record, took a terrible step toward adding himself to that list of accused "honor" murderers.
Noor sent a second text message after her father stepped into the DES office, this one to her best friend, Ushna.
"Dude, I'm so scared. Shit," she wrote. "At the welfare place, and guess who walks in? My dad!!! I'm so shaky!"
"Holy shit, did he see you?" Ushna quickly responded.
"I don't think so," Noor typed. "His fat ass is right by the door so I can't even leave. I'm laughing like a crazy person. I hate when this happens to me. I knew I shouldn't have [woken] up."
Execute him, deport the lot. No refugee or asylum for Islam any more than the past century. Why change today?
How on earth can we as a society keep silent regarding "Honor killings." An Ideology that promotes death, rape and murder is in direct conflict to everything that is American. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As an American woman I would rather die than to live under the rule of Islam. Where are the organizations that promote equal rights for women, where is the out rage from my sisters.....where are you, why aren't you vocal, why aren't you lobbying?
If your tribe holds "honor" higher than the life of your daughter of the life of another, there is something seriously WRONG with your TRIBE/CULTURE/RELIGION!!!.
Maybe you should of hear another wise man's saying, love God with all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Then you wouldn't have run over your daughter and your neighbor.
How can anyone do this to their own daughter, regardless of culture? If this is cultural, it is a very messed up culture/society. What a waste! She was such a beautiful girl.
America is a Christian Nation. Documents written by our founding fathers for the governing of our nation were based on Biblical principles. By Christian standards Mr. Almaleki has not brought honor to himself by killing his daughter. Instead of showing the world his unconditional love toward his daughter he has shown her hate and condemnation and that his love for her was not real. What has he preserved? How does killing who God has created and who God loves because a person acts in a way that opposes your pride give you honor? Faleh Almaleki's actions are very offensive to any Christian or to anyone's sense of right and wrong. He has brought disgrace on himself in the eyes of most Americans. How does killing someone for killing someone else follow any Christian concept? I speak of the death penalty. If Mr. Almaleki wanted his daughter to be under Sharia Law he should have not left his country and exposed her to a different culture which operates under the love, forgiveness, and grace of Jesus Christ. Noor's actions,however, were against Christ's teachings.
This is extremely disturbing that someone is using religion and culture to justify their evil doing. He's already in hell.
What religion or culture that deserves even a shred of respect supports this kind of horrific, animalistic behavior? I'm sorry but this is just insane stuff. He not only murdered his poor daughter--this beautiful young light--but he nearly killed another woman as well. He shouldn't have been in this country in the first place, but if he, his wife, and his son can't abide by the laws, they should all be have been deported. As things stand, he should get the death penalty for what he did. Murdering anyone, especially one's own family member, is beyond the pale. Close the borders to animals like this. We have enough problems with native-born monsters as is. He can be a beast in his own country, which he was trying to pimp to get off scot free. At least that game didn't work.
As for immigrants getting welfare - even illegal immigrants get it. They get Medicaid and food stamps, I know, and maybe other types of welfare - WIC, Head Start, Section 8 Housing, God alone knows what all else.Some of them have never worked a minute here in this country, they've never paid a penny in taxes, yet they are entitled to free medical care, food stamps, and so forth because you and I are stupid enough to not vote out of office the legislators who won't start to dismantle this system.
No, you can't tear it down all at once, no I don't want the innocent children to suffer.
But we have got to start the ending of welfare. Our country is already bankrupt and it's only going to get worse as the Fed Reserve keeps those printing presses running, thereby inflating the "money" supply and thereby making each new piece of paper "money" worth less than the one before it.
Google Ron Paul.
It's a real shame that the dtr took up the rather typical young cheeky American ways, but she didn't, by American standards, deserve death.
Her father, sadly, failed to understand that he is living in American, not Iraq. Laws are different here. One must abide by the laws of his place of residence.
Terribly sad how women are treated in what I believe are old-fashioned, outdated cultures that view them as personless, brainless chattel.
Except that princesses, female offspring of the royals can do whatever they please, it would seem. No burqah or hijab or moral restrictions for them. What is up with that?
nevah disrespect the fahthah, never bring dishonor to the faahmily...
Bonasera: I believe in America. America has made my fortune. And I raised my daughter in the American fashion. I gave her freedom but I taught her never to dishonor her family. She found a "boy friend," not an Italian. She went to the movies with him. She stayed out late. I didn't protest. Two months ago he took her for a drive, blahblah blah(from the godfather)
this rebellious biatch had it coming to her. Rebellious biatch and fanatical father head to head, looks like the biatch lost. Well they both lost. This little troublemaker could've moved to another city but instead chose to stay in the same community and even tried to stay in the fathers house! Would it have killed her to tone it down a little? She knew her father was a crazy unstable fanatic. They may call it an honor killing but it's just another woman being abused by a man in her life, one of millions in America. And they keep going back for more. Cry me a river.
not only are these people "entitled" to welfare benefits, but think they can act this way on our streets. And his wife works,,works at a military base!!! Does anyone else see this as an issue? I feel so bad for these women, he should be a guest at the military base his wife works at and given CIA interrogation.
Islam appeals to the boorish savage nature of man. We've seen how these animals got riled up after the cartoonist portrayed Mohammed. Islam keeps people stupid and ignorant so they continue to blow themselves up to obtain virgins. Overall it is a cancer that eats away at humanity. And for this reason it must be eliminated.
This is a such a sad story! I can't believe a father would do such a thing just because a daughter wanted to live her own life! In the article the father mentions it's the iraqi way. That's crap! This behavior is unacceptable in America! If these people want to live the Iraqi way, then they need to stay in Iraq! I feel bad for all middle eastern women who have to live under the thumb of a man. What a load of crap!!!
Let me get this straight. An Iraqi woman, who moved to the states 10 years ago, and speaks [relatively] no English & is entitled to WELFARE??? I am a US citizen, work hard, pay my taxes and do NOT live off the government!
Let's add this up, I am paying to "rebuild" Iraq ANY paying welfare benefits to many Iraqis that have moved to the US. What about taking care of our “own.”
AND, for the father that killed his daughter, stick him in Guantanamo! Or ship him back to Iraq. As a taxpayer, I don't want my $$$ to fund his murder trial. At Guantanamo, he will be with some of his "Friends" so he should feel right at home.
Ok, I think this article did misrepresent Islam - but why are so many immigrants on welfare? That's the part that enrages me! I wish there were more stipulations for welfare, for Americans too. There needs to be more checking up on ppl who abuse the system and I don't think we should be giving it to immigrants.
I wish that this article was not written on such a biased point of view. The mentioning of Islam, and Muslim left and right and how this is part of the religion, and some of these extreme actions are a believed part of the religion is ridiculous. First of all educate yourself thoroughly on the religion prior to making such remarks. These "honor killings" and other actions of that sort are not part of the Muslim community nor part of the religion by any means. Women are not portrayed as puppets in the Quran but rather are said to be respected and are mentioned of how worthy a woman truly is. These people who go on rampages killing and one not in the name of their religion are not true Muslims. These people are parts of small sects that are created by mankind, and are not the words of God. The actions are also depending on the country of origin from the follower, so before grouping all Muslims into one category due more research and educate yourself so that you can make such extreme statements.
I really enjoy how you drag, Islam through the mud in this article. You pawn off you feelings, by getting quotes from other. "Muslim culture has reduced many, if not most, women to the position of puppets on a string, to slavelike creatures whose only purpose in life is to cater to the needs and pleasures of men."My wife is Muslim, and I have visited her family in Beirut, and not once did I feel like any one woman in the Muslim community was a slave like creature. The same can be said for prostitute, or strippers here in America.
As for this statement.In Islamic Middle Eastern countries, there's a name for the homicides of women by male family members: "honor killings."I did not know they spoke English as a primary language in Iraq, I am pretty sure it is Arabic. So how do you know what the direct translation for what they call it is. Where do have what they actually call it written in your article anywhere?
I understand what this man did was wrong and am I in no way agreeing with it. But what you are doing in this article is contributing to our a lack of understanding between to cultures.
Congratulations Mr. Rubin
Noor sounds like so many muslim girls here. I really don't know what to say except, Noor was in a very bad place, she knew how her father was when it came to religion and tradition. She knew how her family worked having been born and raised into a very traditional if not fanatical muslim family. I think western values influence a lot of muslim youths that live here and their parents are scared of this because they feel that these american values take them away from their family values. They feel that westernized morals turn their children against them. Noor's father was not only a fanatic but he was mentally insane as well, his daughter was only trying to live her life normally and be independent. This is what most parents want for their children, I know mine do! But Noor was not just an average typical american, she was an iraqi born muslim and there was no escaping that, as she fatally found out.
My heart goes out to her friends and her siblings, it just makes you angry in that her life could've been saved if she only got the protection she needed. There must have been some way to protect her and other young muslim girls who are caught in the same situations. I can't begin to understand the "muslim" culture all I know is that reading about Noor, in my head flashed images of girls at my school who are exactly like her, right down to Noor's personality. I think if I had seen Noor at my school, I would have passed her by thinking to myself, "oh she's so pretty, popular, has tons of friends, oh her life must be so easy. Must be nice being her!" Rest in peace Noor, you don't have to live in fear anymore!
These people are sick. Look around the world, every country with a large muslim population are always into it some how with some stupid believe of islam. I know ther're brain washed, but with information so easily acessable you would think that the muslim slaves(weman)would get tired of this treatment. As for this so called father(owner)I wouldn't waste time with him but a bullit in his brain and dump him on the desert. He deserved to be treated like the animal he is. When a muslim female dies what is her role in heaven to serve a man there too. This gril knew she could still beleive in her God with out being a slave to her family, for her there're is a special place in his kingdom. God Bless.
This news story is aimed at depiucting the family unit and fathers as horrible monsters. It ios nothing but anti-male bigotry and hate propaganda. The story takes a line from the Bible about honoring Fathers as if respecting and loving your father is somehow a bad thing and insinuting the Bible is terrible too and attempts to demonize men and fathers with it. I am disgusted at your blantantly bigotry and hatred in this propaganda pice. I will not hate Muslim eitehr just because the government opromotes hatred of them to promote their useless unjust wars.
uqayyum, i'm sure you are looking forward to your after life. how many virgins do you plan on having. is it 72 or 19? 72 sounds way better to me, bro. can you pick what kind of virgins they are? I would go for 30% asian, 30% european, 30% american, and the other 10 percent -- hey, surprise me.
also can you pick their ages too? I think it would be cool to have a 35-year old virgin, just for kicks.
peterK. you act is if you have been personally wronged. have u lived in the East. probably not but if u had you would know there are good and bad people everywhere. So here when people kill their loved ones and it is not related to religion it is not so bad. One idiot kills his daughter and thinks he is doing it for religious reasons and it is terrible!. look the religion is not bad . It is the stupid people who think this is the way it should be. this is not the case, but the media and you are perpetuating this dumbness. i do not care if you like us or not. apparently in the afterlife all will be revealed. however in this life causing other people to hate us for reasons that have nothing to do with 99.99% should be tantamount to a hate crime
"99% of muslims do not do this. why do you continue to perpetuate this bs "
and if there are as alleged 1 billion Muslims in the world then according to you 1% of them are doing honor killings. Now 1 billion is1,000,000,000. and 1% of that number would be what????? far far more than the number of Catholic priests who are diddling teen-aged boys try about 10 million muslims so 1% is not an insignficant number
thus we should continue to put this on the front page of our papers
you are the biggest idiot in the world. you can not have read the quran and utter such nonsense. Do you even know how to read ? You are spreading stupid lies in the name of what? This is not fantasy. there are people who have never read the quran and you are spreading idiocy. the quran is as violent or non violent as any other religion. why don't you go join your idols glenn and rush. you are a straight forward bigot and racist and anyone who does not look like you is to be shunned and tarred and feathered, right. why don't you go live in the south where your kind are . or maybe you should go the south africa and live with the white supremacists
The Koran is something every American had better read and read fast..I've just completed my sixth reading with four different sets of commentaries and if one likes horror stories, trust me, the vignettes aka hadiths are enough to make the works of Lovecraft and King look like sunday school tracts by comparison. The " Religion of Peace " has not been hijacked. The Islamic jihadists are following it to the letter. Wait until you find out about "abrocation ". It enables certain readings to be viewed as never having been written. "Taquiya "- another dandy principle tells muslims they can cheat, steal, undermine a host country, in short do anything to their benefit as long as its not to a muslim. They can act in throughly reprehensible ways toward women and even God forbid to little girls in such a way that it makes you wish to vomit. Muslim men can do this because the perfect man, Mohammid, whom all should emulate did this. Start reading America ! Your life and America's, hell Western Civilization depends on it. Get informed and stop with the mantras of political correctness. Diversity divides- " E Pluribus Unum " unites all Americans. Diversity killed 13 brave people one of whom was pregnant with her first child and wounded many others at Fort Hood don't let them die in vain.
By the amount of time you all have kept this story on the front page of yahoo, you would think this is a bigger story than the priests abusing hundreds and possibly thousands of poor defenseless children. 99% of muslims do not do this. why do you continue to perpetuate this bs
ERS, what is YOUR COMMUNITY? None of about 60,000 of St. Louis immigrants or refugees committed so-called honor murder in 21 years ago and you are suggesting there is potential for more? How is relevant that some criminal murdered his daughter in 1989?
Ann Lee is right. As far as citizenship goes how is the pledge going to stop anything? When you get a driver's license all you have to do is pass set of rules. Same applies to the citizenship. No one can guess someone's character. This maniac was a murder and that's it. Problem is that the author of this text and the editor of RTF are engaging in anti-Muslim propaganda using one nutcase.I hereby publicly warn editors that they are allowing comments who call for genocide which is against US law. Why was this article REALLY published on 3 pages and with propaganda-style headline? Why now? Why not when murder happened?
The violence and killing of women and children has got to stop. In response to this article and the comments already made, I have a few things to note:1) I thought to become a citizen, one had to pledge to abide by the laws of that contry.2) When I checked dictionaries, honor means honesty, integrity, respect. 3) If God/Allah wanted women and children to be subservient puppets, he would not have given us intelligence, the ability to reason, and FREE WILL.4) This man may have called this a family and a tribe but it is nothing but a dictatorship.5) People throughout the ages have twisted sacred writings to give them an excuse for bigotry, hatred, violence, bullying, and dictatorships.6) We cannot use the actions of a few fanatics to justify genocide.
"Noor is gone what about me"? He should be executed, IMMEDIATELY! When does the right to honor a culture become greater than the right to live and breath?
Well, I, for one, am glad this subject is being written about, though I wish the author had done a little more research. In 2000, the U.N. estimated 5,000 "honor" killings per annum, though many of us who work with these crimes find that a very, very conservative figure.
To those who believe that this subject has nothing to do with your community, one of the first known dishonor killings that took place in the U.S. took place in St. Louis. You can read about it here:
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT OR BE JUDGE OR JURY. DON'T COME TO AMERICA IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE BY THEIR LAWS THATS INSANE. DID THE US INVADE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO GO AND SHOW THEM HOW TO LIVE THEIR WAY? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE ANYWAY YOU WANT. YOU DON'T GIVE UP ON WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. YES THIS A TRADGEY PLENTY OF LIVES ARE RUINED AND PERHAPS HE DIDN'T OR COULDN'T SEE BEYOND HIS ANGER AND DIDN'T SEEK HELP TO WANT TO SCARE SOMEONE AND KILL YOUR FLESCH OF FLESCH IS A DEATH SENTENCE WITHIN SELF. AMERICAN VALUES ARE NOT THAT GREAT DRUNKINESS,ADULTRY,IDOLATRY,HOMESEXUALITY
I'm a little disturbed that Paul Rubin didn't try to expess the fact that "Muslim culture" that Riffat Hassan was mentioning did not have much to do with Quranic law which states clearly that those who live as guests in another country (like the Malekis) must obey the laws of that land. Honor killings are a tribal custom that date back thousands of years and continue to occur in many different cultures today. Obviously, the father is the guilty party here for breaking many laws, Muslim and American.
This is a serious issue. Again: murder is a murder!. This appaling act has nothing to do with islam but TRIBAL TRADITION in some parts of Iraq.
Bill, who are we and who are they? Ask native Americans if here in the West we view all as equal regardless of tribe, religion or gender.
When can we start to distinguish individuals from governments, countries etc.
Bill, also here is something for you: genocide happens in 8 stages. You've just engaged in its first stage:
1. CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.
"Here is a man who has put his own life and livelihood at stake for the sake of culture and family values and everyone is taking turns at bashing him." What planet did you grow up on man? From the tone of your posts it is quite clear you, like the killer, view the females of the family as your own property. News flash here in the West we view all as equal regardless of tribe, religion or gender. At the end of the day culture or family values are distant second to the sanctity life!!! Why is it so hard for the followers of "the religion of peace" to figure this out? Could it possibly be that their religion places honor, adherence to Sharia, and simple piety above all? The answer is yes for the Islamic world and that my friend is problem your going to have within the west. We value life while you obviously value honor and Islamic values more--quite typical of the herd mentality endemic across the Islamic world. If you want to continue to try and defend that cannot be do us a favor and go to one of the many Islamic paradises across the globe and spare us your useless rhetoric. We value life above all else and it is obvious you don't.
I think ANTI-PROPOGANDA has a point. It is a tragic story, but why is it being reported now? It is a blatant ham-fisted attempt to fan the flames of anti-muslim sentiment in Saint Louis written by an author with a very semitic surname. The author might as well be named Goebbels.
First of all let us be intelligent persons and think about the article, the author, the way it was presented and the content. Let us ask ourselves following questions:1.Why is a murder that happened in October 2010 in Arizona on the front page in April 2010 issue of RFT in St. Louis?2.How is this hit-and-run homicide different than other more vicious murders?3.Why is there label “Muslim” in the headline?4.Were those “honor killings” common in ancient Babylon (Iraq) even in pre-islamic era?5.How is this case different from a case where CONTROLLING FATHER James Harrison shot and killed his 7-year old son and his four daughters because his wife left with another man?Was that not an honor MASS killing? It was even worse since he did not kill his wife who dishonored him but took it out on 5 other persons, young children.Yet this mass murder was not labeled neither “Christian” nor ”honor killing”
6.What is the motivation of the writer for this story? To generate comments such these:• NotAnArab 04/01/2010 9:37:46 AMIslam is a cancerous mental disorder. The Americans and the Chinese need to team up to wipe Islam off the face of the earth. Step 1 - Drop a nuke on Mecca during the annual pilgrimage. How hilarious would that be?
RTF is allowing hate speech and call to genocide on its page. You are breaking US laws and US constitution.
7.Murder is a murder is a murder is a murder !!! Anyone who manipulates loss of innocent live to spread hatred and anyone who allows it to be published on 3 pages in Goebels propaganda style is just spreading religious and ethnic hatred and wants to turn our country into mindless dictatorship. Don’t you see what the real purpose of the article was?
It is such as a sad thing that an young life abruptly ended.. call it whatever... honor killing, dowry death, fatwa..., look at the other side of the story. It is problem of adjustment to the cultures. Family heads trying to adjust to the new cultures and trying to raise the family with set of values they believed all their life (no disrespect on American values) A father can never, ever hurt his children. Pay attention to the comments Noor in the first two pages... His fat ass, asshole does any child talk like this about his/her father? (honor and respect are not to be demanded they have to be earned). Fault is on both sides perhaps an illiterate father trying to adjust in a foreign country culture and rebillious daughter at the age of 18-20 thinks she knows much more than the elders who cared for her all their life. If she hated the father so much why didn't she move into a bigger and more secure city. I think she too is not that educated (perhaps may have some bqsic education by attending community college.. perhaps her parents are unable to afford better education). At the end a young beautiful girl life terminated untimely leaving grief for the entire neighborhood. I see this as a complex situation of poor communication among of family members and lack of understanding and difficulty in havfing a direct talk among themselves and lack of social support resulted in this tragedy.
You can chhose to be whatever you wanted but try not forget your roots, values and respect the tradition (does jews, irish, greek and germans forget their tradition?) but still adopt and mingle in your adopted homeland. If everyone understand this things would have been different.
Dear future immigrants of America,
Please check your backwards assed traditions in whatever country you are from. That crap is not welcome here at all. We do not practice Islamic law here and WE NEVER WILL!
If you want to live a repressive lifestyle, do not come here to this country. Stay where you are.
Citizen of the United States of America
A response to Mohamed's comment at 04/01/2010 4:21:38 PM:
Neither culture nor society nor governments create, grant or give rights to anyone. Being born gives us rights; Allah gives us rights. The West (and substantial portions of the rest of the world, though I suppose they'll never be the boogeymen your kind finds necessary to thrive) doesn't give women rights; it recognizes and respects those rights. Whatever modifier people may attach to it - traditional, extremists, fundamentalist, radical - Islam as practiced in far too many places around the globe strips women of rights. The Islam you have described, or whatever cultural label you may confer, is nothing more or less than the detritus that will in future generations of every culture and religion be remembered as the leavings of cowardly swine.
Every word you utter does us, as immigrants, Arabs, and Muslims harm. You are to Islam what Westboro is to Christianity. You are destroying our religion.
WHEN SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY COMES OVER HERE TO LIVE. DON'T THEY REALIZE EVEN WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM, WHY COME OVER HERE. DO THEY TAKE THE TEST TO BECOME AMERICAN CITIZEN. ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS DESTROY ALL OF US . THAT SHOULD BE HONOREDWHEN THEY COME TO MY COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T WANT FREEDOM HERE IN AMERICA THEN GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mohamed@ 4:21 said: "Just because the western world has a set of values which make it a crime to kill deviant people, it does not mean that it is the gold standard or the only right way to be in life."
It is if you CHOOSE to live in the West, sir, and that is where this crime took place!
Was the illustration at the top really necessary? It looks like something a tabloid would print and cheapens the content and insults the young woman whose life was taken. The article was deeply sad. A young life snuffed out because the father is trapped in that cultural baggage. Shame on the father, mother and cousin for their lies and excuses. Perhaps it is time that all those applying for immigration to the West with this kind of cultural baggage, be educated and warned that that this mentality will not be tolerated and must be discarded. We have our own serious problems dealing with violence against women without adding something else to the mix.
Most of the comments reflect an absolute lack of appreciation of culture and family ties. Somehow, the concept of family and togetherness seems completely alien to most of the commenters. The problem is the biased media which only makes noises when women are killed and never when men are killed for similarly shaming the family. Here is a man who has put his own life and livelihood at stake for the sake of culture and family values and everyone is taking turns at bashing him. Just because the western world has no respect for family and elders and their values and it is the norm to do what they please despite the displeasure of their parents, it does not make it right to abuse and insult parents on any day. Just because the western world has a set of values which make it a crime to kill deviant people, it does not mean that it is the gold standard or the only right way to be in life. In the muslim world, the father does everything to provide for his family and in turn expects respect...which this girl clearly had none of. In the muslim world, parents are almost equivalent to god(they are the closest thing to god on any given day) and disrespecting a parent, espescially one who expects the person to live in a decent manner is equivalent to insulting god. Ultimately, people should face the consequences of their actions...but then, the western world and its bullshit feminism only know of one way of life....to screw men all the time and pamper women all the time.
@D.k. Hess This has been for centuries. We do not need their culture in the west.. today more than ever.