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05/10/2012 5:22:00 PM
wild animals or stone age people
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Unknown 01/07/2012 5:44:00 PM
I'm an American but just to let you know, you are generalizing by a lot. Most muslims dont practice honor killings and the Quran is against it, any type of killing, exept in times of self defense and war. Just because you see this in the media doesn't mean it happens all the time. We read about the columbine school shooting and other"white people" crimes but that doesn mean all white catholics are like this. A lot of them are very good people and a lot of them such as yourself, unless you're native american have ancestry from other places besides America. Why did your ancestors come here? And your ancestors tried to keep their values and roots too! The Irish had their cliques and the Russians had theirs, etc they still do. So stop generalizing and traditional Muslim values promote truth, fidelity, family values and respect for parents, family, elders and others, most religions do. Its the people that re- interpret it. Should I assume that catholic popes molesting young boys are a good representation of catholicsim, shouldn't they be the best representation??? You're denying the human element in religion, people make mistakes that doesn make their religion necessarily bad. American values by the way are deteriorating, do u even what they are because they have definitely evolved since George Washington. They promote kids that are disrepectful thinking its independence, parents sacrifice their entire life to raise them, and the least they can do is talk to them with respect if not listen to them. It promotes almost prepubescent children to have sex, sex is flarant in media, you think that has no effect on their generation??? Children learn what they see. Dont get mad when your little girl wants to have sex at 13!!! Because thats the American life! We have a high rate of divorce, failing marriages,failiing families, deadbeat moms and dads, one of the highest rates of instability in family structure out of other countries, you want them to emulate us? our values? What values are you talking about? The ones where gilrs have to sleep with 20 guys to get them to fall in love and finally put a ring, enslaved to men's selfish and lust? You're right why wouldnt muslims want to emulate us?? They have a high rate of family stability and they're actually happy, they dont want to be like us, they want the opportunities that Americn affords but without the drama! Sorry to burst bubbles!
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12/13/2011 2:39:00 PM
How on earth can we as a society keep silent regarding "Honor killings." An Ideology that promotes death, rape and murder is in direct conflict to everything that is American. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As an American woman I would rather die than to live under the rule of Islam. Where are the organizations that promote equal rights for women, where is the out rage from my sisters.....where are you, why aren't you vocal, why aren't you lobbying?
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08/15/2011 10:18:00 PM
This story makes me SICK!
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02/22/2011 10:52:00 PM
Honor killing? NO its MURDER!!! Those people are NUTS.
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01/01/2011 6:55:00 PM
If your tribe holds "honor" higher than the life of your daughter of the life of another, there is something seriously WRONG with your TRIBE/CULTURE/RELIGION!!!.
Maybe you should of hear another wise man's saying, love God with all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself. Then you wouldn't have run over your daughter and your neighbor.
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amy 11/21/2010 9:33:00 PM
How can anyone do this to their own daughter, regardless of culture? If this is cultural, it is a very messed up culture/society. What a waste! She was such a beautiful girl.
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Carolyn 11/10/2010 6:28:00 AM
America is a Christian Nation. Documents written by our founding fathers for the governing of our nation were based on Biblical principles. By Christian standards Mr. Almaleki has not brought honor to himself by killing his daughter. Instead of showing the world his unconditional love toward his daughter he has shown her hate and condemnation and that his love for her was not real. What has he preserved? How does killing who God has created and who God loves because a person acts in a way that opposes your pride give you honor? Faleh Almaleki's actions are very offensive to any Christian or to anyone's sense of right and wrong. He has brought disgrace on himself in the eyes of most Americans. How does killing someone for killing someone else follow any Christian concept? I speak of the death penalty. If Mr. Almaleki wanted his daughter to be under Sharia Law he should have not left his country and exposed her to a different culture which operates under the love, forgiveness, and grace of Jesus Christ. Noor's actions,however, were against Christ's teachings.
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a person 10/15/2010 6:41:00 AM
wow...
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ohsushi520 04/30/2010 3:14:00 AM
This is extremely disturbing that someone is using religion and culture to justify their evil doing. He's already in hell.
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Shannon Kelly 04/17/2010 7:06:00 AM
What religion or culture that deserves even a shred of respect supports this kind of horrific, animalistic behavior? I'm sorry but this is just insane stuff. He not only murdered his poor daughter--this beautiful young light--but he nearly killed another woman as well. He shouldn't have been in this country in the first place, but if he, his wife, and his son can't abide by the laws, they should all be have been deported. As things stand, he should get the death penalty for what he did. Murdering anyone, especially one's own family member, is beyond the pale. Close the borders to animals like this. We have enough problems with native-born monsters as is. He can be a beast in his own country, which he was trying to pimp to get off scot free. At least that game didn't work.
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Shocked 04/11/2010 9:09:00 PM
As for immigrants getting welfare - even illegal immigrants get it. They get Medicaid and food stamps, I know, and maybe other types of welfare - WIC, Head Start, Section 8 Housing, God alone knows what all else.
Some of them have never worked a minute here in this country, they've never paid a penny in taxes, yet they are entitled to free medical care, food stamps, and so forth because you and I are stupid enough to not vote out of office the legislators who won't start to dismantle this system.
No, you can't tear it down all at once, no I don't want the innocent children to suffer.
But we have got to start the ending of welfare. Our country is already bankrupt and it's only going to get worse as the Fed Reserve keeps those printing presses running, thereby inflating the "money" supply and thereby making each new piece of paper "money" worth less than the one before it.
Google Ron Paul.
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Shocked 04/11/2010 9:01:00 PM
It's a real shame that the dtr took up the rather typical young cheeky American ways, but she didn't, by American standards, deserve death.
Her father, sadly, failed to understand that he is living in American, not Iraq. Laws are different here. One must abide by the laws of his place of residence.
Terribly sad how women are treated in what I believe are old-fashioned, outdated cultures that view them as personless, brainless chattel.
Except that princesses, female offspring of the royals can do whatever they please, it would seem. No burqah or hijab or moral restrictions for them. What is up with that?
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Bonasera 04/09/2010 11:13:00 PM
nevah disrespect the fahthah, never bring dishonor to the faahmily...
Bonasera: I believe in America. America has made my fortune. And I raised my daughter in the American fashion. I gave her freedom but I taught her never to dishonor her family. She found a "boy friend," not an Italian. She went to the movies with him. She stayed out late. I didn't protest. Two months ago he took her for a drive, blahblah blah
(from the godfather)
this rebellious biatch had it coming to her. Rebellious biatch and fanatical father head to head, looks like the biatch lost. Well they both lost. This little troublemaker could've moved to another city but instead chose to stay in the same community and even tried to stay in the fathers house! Would it have killed her to tone it down a little? She knew her father was a crazy unstable fanatic. They may call it an honor killing but it's just another woman being abused by a man in her life, one of millions in America. And they keep going back for more. Cry me a river.
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faye 04/07/2010 3:29:00 AM
not only are these people "entitled" to welfare benefits, but think they can act this way on our streets. And his wife works,,works at a military base!!! Does anyone else see this as an issue? I feel so bad for these women, he should be a guest at the military base his wife works at and given CIA interrogation.
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kathy 04/07/2010 1:25:00 AM
muslim religon is satan at his best
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Riff randall 04/07/2010 12:01:00 AM
Islam appeals to the boorish savage nature of man. We've seen how these animals got riled up after the cartoonist portrayed Mohammed. Islam keeps people stupid and ignorant so they continue to blow themselves up to obtain virgins. Overall it is a cancer that eats away at humanity. And for this reason it must be eliminated.
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kimberly 04/06/2010 10:22:00 PM
This is a such a sad story! I can't believe a father would do such a thing just because a daughter wanted to live her own life! In the article the father mentions it's the iraqi way. That's crap! This behavior is unacceptable in America! If these people want to live the Iraqi way, then they need to stay in Iraq! I feel bad for all middle eastern women who have to live under the thumb of a man. What a load of crap!!!
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Alexis 04/06/2010 8:52:00 PM
Let me get this straight. An Iraqi woman, who moved to the states 10 years ago, and speaks [relatively] no English & is entitled to WELFARE??? I am a US citizen, work hard, pay my taxes and do NOT live off the government!
Let's add this up, I am paying to "rebuild" Iraq ANY paying welfare benefits to many Iraqis that have moved to the US. What about taking care of our “own.”
AND, for the father that killed his daughter, stick him in Guantanamo! Or ship him back to Iraq. As a taxpayer, I don't want my $$$ to fund his murder trial. At Guantanamo, he will be with some of his "Friends" so he should feel right at home.
ENOUGH SAID!!
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BumbleBee 04/06/2010 6:10:00 PM
Ok, I think this article did misrepresent Islam - but why are so many immigrants on welfare? That's the part that enrages me! I wish there were more stipulations for welfare, for Americans too. There needs to be more checking up on ppl who abuse the system and I don't think we should be giving it to immigrants.
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A.K 04/06/2010 7:38:00 AM
I wish that this article was not written on such a biased point of view. The mentioning of Islam, and Muslim left and right and how this is part of the religion, and some of these extreme actions are a believed part of the religion is ridiculous. First of all educate yourself thoroughly on the religion prior to making such remarks. These "honor killings" and other actions of that sort are not part of the Muslim community nor part of the religion by any means. Women are not portrayed as puppets in the Quran but rather are said to be respected and are mentioned of how worthy a woman truly is. These people who go on rampages killing and one not in the name of their religion are not true Muslims. These people are parts of small sects that are created by mankind, and are not the words of God. The actions are also depending on the country of origin from the follower, so before grouping all Muslims into one category due more research and educate yourself so that you can make such extreme statements.
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Danny 04/06/2010 2:45:00 AM
I really enjoy how you drag, Islam through the mud in this article. You pawn off you feelings, by getting quotes from other. "Muslim culture has reduced many, if not most, women to the position of puppets on a string, to slavelike creatures whose only purpose in life is to cater to the needs and pleasures of men."
My wife is Muslim, and I have visited her family in Beirut, and not once did I feel like any one woman in the Muslim community was a slave like creature. The same can be said for prostitute, or strippers here in America.
As for this statement.
In Islamic Middle Eastern countries, there's a name for the homicides of women by male family members: "honor killings."
I did not know they spoke English as a primary language in Iraq, I am pretty sure it is Arabic. So how do you know what the direct translation for what they call it is. Where do have what they actually call it written in your article anywhere?
I understand what this man did was wrong and am I in no way agreeing with it. But what you are doing in this article is contributing to our a lack of understanding between to cultures.
Congratulations Mr. Rubin
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Apitheous 04/06/2010 12:42:00 AM
If you don't want to be Americanized don't come to America
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snoopy 04/05/2010 7:30:00 PM
Noor sounds like so many muslim girls here. I really don't know what to say except, Noor was in a very bad place, she knew how her father was when it came to religion and tradition. She knew how her family worked having been born and raised into a very traditional if not fanatical muslim family. I think western values influence a lot of muslim youths that live here and their parents are scared of this because they feel that these american values take them away from their family values. They feel that westernized morals turn their children against them. Noor's father was not only a fanatic but he was mentally insane as well, his daughter was only trying to live her life normally and be independent. This is what most parents want for their children, I know mine do! But Noor was not just an average typical american, she was an iraqi born muslim and there was no escaping that, as she fatally found out.
My heart goes out to her friends and her siblings, it just makes you angry in that her life could've been saved if she only got the protection she needed. There must have been some way to protect her and other young muslim girls who are caught in the same situations. I can't begin to understand the "muslim" culture all I know is that reading about Noor, in my head flashed images of girls at my school who are exactly like her, right down to Noor's personality. I think if I had seen Noor at my school, I would have passed her by thinking to myself, "oh she's so pretty, popular, has tons of friends, oh her life must be so easy. Must be nice being her!" Rest in peace Noor, you don't have to live in fear anymore!
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Clifford A Conley 04/05/2010 5:27:00 PM
These people are sick. Look around the world, every country with a large muslim population are always into it some how with some stupid believe of islam. I know ther're brain washed, but with information so easily acessable you would think that the muslim slaves(weman)would get tired of this treatment. As for this so called father(owner)I wouldn't waste time with him but a bullit in his brain and dump him on the desert. He deserved to be treated like the animal he is. When a muslim female dies what is her role in heaven to serve a man there too. This gril knew she could still beleive in her God with out being a slave to her family, for her there're is a special place in his kingdom. God Bless.
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Tom shaner 04/05/2010 8:58:00 AM
This news story is aimed at depiucting the family unit and fathers as horrible monsters. It ios nothing but anti-male bigotry and hate propaganda. The story takes a line from the Bible about honoring Fathers as if respecting and loving your father is somehow a bad thing and insinuting the Bible is terrible too and attempts to demonize men and fathers with it. I am disgusted at your blantantly bigotry and hatred in this propaganda pice. I will not hate Muslim eitehr just because the government opromotes hatred of them to promote their useless unjust wars.
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helda smith 04/05/2010 7:49:00 AM
uqayyum, i'm sure you are looking forward to your after life. how many virgins do you plan on having. is it 72 or 19? 72 sounds way better to me, bro. can you pick what kind of virgins they are? I would go for 30% asian, 30% european, 30% american, and the other 10 percent -- hey, surprise me.
also can you pick their ages too? I think it would be cool to have a 35-year old virgin, just for kicks.
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uqayyum 04/05/2010 6:41:00 AM
peterK. you act is if you have been personally wronged. have u lived in the East. probably not but if u had you would know there are good and bad people everywhere. So here when people kill their loved ones and it is not related to religion it is not so bad. One idiot kills his daughter and thinks he is doing it for religious reasons and it is terrible!. look the religion is not bad . It is the stupid people who think this is the way it should be. this is not the case, but the media and you are perpetuating this dumbness. i do not care if you like us or not. apparently in the afterlife all will be revealed. however in this life causing other people to hate us for reasons that have nothing to do with 99.99% should be tantamount to a hate crime
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PeterK 04/05/2010 2:14:00 AM
"99% of muslims do not do this. why do you continue to perpetuate this bs "
and if there are as alleged 1 billion Muslims in the world then according to you 1% of them are doing honor killings. Now 1 billion is
1,000,000,000. and 1% of that number would be what????? far far more than the number of Catholic priests who are diddling teen-aged boys try about 10 million muslims so 1% is not an insignficant number
thus we should continue to put this on the front page of our papers
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usman Qayyum 04/05/2010 12:06:00 AM
you are the biggest idiot in the world. you can not have read the quran and utter such nonsense. Do you even know how to read ? You are spreading stupid lies in the name of what? This is not fantasy. there are people who have never read the quran and you are spreading idiocy. the quran is as violent or non violent as any other religion. why don't you go join your idols glenn and rush. you are a straight forward bigot and racist and anyone who does not look like you is to be shunned and tarred and feathered, right. why don't you go live in the south where your kind are . or maybe you should go the south africa and live with the white supremacists
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Taliesin319 04/04/2010 11:42:00 PM
The Koran is something every American had better read and read fast..I've just completed my sixth reading with four different sets of commentaries and if one likes horror stories, trust me, the vignettes aka hadiths are enough to make the works of Lovecraft and King look like sunday school tracts by comparison. The " Religion of Peace " has not been hijacked. The Islamic jihadists are following it to the letter. Wait until you find out about "abrocation ". It enables certain readings to be viewed as never having been written. "Taquiya "- another dandy principle tells muslims they can cheat, steal, undermine a host country, in short do anything to their benefit as long as its not to a muslim. They can act in throughly reprehensible ways toward women and even God forbid to little girls in such a way that it makes you wish to vomit. Muslim men can do this because the perfect man, Mohammid, whom all should emulate did this. Start reading America ! Your life and America's, hell Western Civilization depends on it. Get informed and stop with the mantras of political correctness. Diversity divides- " E Pluribus Unum " unites all Americans. Diversity killed 13 brave people one of whom was pregnant with her first child and wounded many others at Fort Hood don't let them die in vain.
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usman Qayyum 04/04/2010 8:42:00 PM
By the amount of time you all have kept this story on the front page of yahoo, you would think this is a bigger story than the priests abusing hundreds and possibly thousands of poor defenseless children. 99% of muslims do not do this. why do you continue to perpetuate this bs
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ANTI-PROPAGANDA 04/04/2010 7:07:00 AM
ERS, what is YOUR COMMUNITY? None of about 60,000 of St. Louis immigrants or refugees committed so-called honor murder in 21 years ago and you are suggesting there is potential for more? How is relevant that some criminal murdered his daughter in 1989?
Ann Lee is right. As far as citizenship goes how is the pledge going to stop anything? When you get a driver's license all you have to do is pass set of rules. Same applies to the citizenship. No one can guess someone's character. This maniac was a murder and that's it. Problem is that the author of this text and the editor of RTF are engaging in anti-Muslim propaganda using one nutcase.
I hereby publicly warn editors that they are allowing comments who call for genocide which is against US law.
Why was this article REALLY published on 3 pages and with propaganda-style headline? Why now? Why not when murder happened?
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Ann Lee 04/04/2010 4:22:00 AM
The violence and killing of women and children has got to stop. In response to this article and the comments already made, I have a few things to note:
1) I thought to become a citizen, one had to pledge to abide by the laws of that contry.
2) When I checked dictionaries, honor means honesty, integrity, respect.
3) If God/Allah wanted women and children to be subservient puppets, he would not have given us intelligence, the ability to reason, and FREE WILL.
4) This man may have called this a family and a tribe but it is nothing but a dictatorship.
5) People throughout the ages have twisted sacred writings to give them an excuse for bigotry, hatred, violence, bullying, and dictatorships.
6) We cannot use the actions of a few fanatics to justify genocide.
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pat the bunny 04/04/2010 4:05:00 AM
"Noor is gone what about me"? He should be executed, IMMEDIATELY! When does the right to honor a culture become greater than the right to live and breath?
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ERS 04/04/2010 12:42:00 AM
Well, I, for one, am glad this subject is being written about, though I wish the author had done a little more research. In 2000, the U.N. estimated 5,000 "honor" killings per annum, though many of us who work with these crimes find that a very, very conservative figure.
To those who believe that this subject has nothing to do with your community, one of the first known dishonor killings that took place in the U.S. took place in St. Louis. You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States#Palestina_Isa
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
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LETITIA 04/03/2010 9:03:00 PM
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT OR BE JUDGE OR JURY. DON'T COME TO AMERICA IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIVE BY THEIR LAWS THATS INSANE. DID THE US INVADE THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO GO AND SHOW THEM HOW TO LIVE THEIR WAY? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE ANYWAY YOU WANT. YOU DON'T GIVE UP ON WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. YES THIS A TRADGEY PLENTY OF LIVES ARE RUINED AND PERHAPS HE DIDN'T OR COULDN'T SEE BEYOND HIS ANGER AND DIDN'T SEEK HELP TO WANT TO SCARE SOMEONE AND KILL YOUR FLESCH OF FLESCH IS A DEATH SENTENCE WITHIN SELF. AMERICAN VALUES ARE NOT THAT GREAT DRUNKINESS,ADULTRY,IDOLATRY,HOMESEXUALITY
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A STL Guy 04/03/2010 8:54:00 PM
I'm a little disturbed that Paul Rubin didn't try to expess the fact that "Muslim culture" that Riffat Hassan was mentioning did not have much to do with Quranic law which states clearly that those who live as guests in another country (like the Malekis) must obey the laws of that land. Honor killings are a tribal custom that date back thousands of years and continue to occur in many different cultures today. Obviously, the father is the guilty party here for breaking many laws, Muslim and American.
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ANTI-PROPAGANDA 04/03/2010 7:46:00 AM
This is a serious issue. Again: murder is a murder!. This appaling act has nothing to do with islam but TRIBAL TRADITION in some parts of Iraq.
Bill, who are we and who are they? Ask native Americans if here in the West we view all as equal regardless of tribe, religion or gender.
When can we start to distinguish individuals from governments, countries etc.
Bill, also here is something for you: genocide happens in 8 stages. You've just engaged in its first stage:
1. CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.
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Bill 04/03/2010 2:54:00 AM
Mohamed,
"Here is a man who has put his own life and livelihood at stake for the sake of culture and family values and everyone is taking turns at bashing him." What planet did you grow up on man? From the tone of your posts it is quite clear you, like the killer, view the females of the family as your own property. News flash here in the West we view all as equal regardless of tribe, religion or gender. At the end of the day culture or family values are distant second to the sanctity life!!! Why is it so hard for the followers of "the religion of peace" to figure this out? Could it possibly be that their religion places honor, adherence to Sharia, and simple piety above all? The answer is yes for the Islamic world and that my friend is problem your going to have within the west. We value life while you obviously value honor and Islamic values more--quite typical of the herd mentality endemic across the Islamic world. If you want to continue to try and defend that cannot be do us a favor and go to one of the many Islamic paradises across the globe and spare us your useless rhetoric. We value life above all else and it is obvious you don't.
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Otto 04/03/2010 12:20:00 AM
I think ANTI-PROPOGANDA has a point. It is a tragic story, but why is it being reported now? It is a blatant ham-fisted attempt to fan the flames of anti-muslim sentiment in Saint Louis written by an author with a very semitic surname. The author might as well be named Goebbels.
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ANTI-PROPAGANDA 04/02/2010 8:12:00 PM
First of all let us be intelligent persons and think about the article, the author, the way it was presented and the content.
Let us ask ourselves following questions:
1. Why is a murder that happened in October 2010 in Arizona on the front page in April 2010 issue of RFT in St. Louis?
2. How is this hit-and-run homicide different than other more vicious murders?
3. Why is there label “Muslim” in the headline?
4. Were those “honor killings” common in ancient Babylon (Iraq) even in pre-islamic era?
5. How is this case different from a case where CONTROLLING FATHER James Harrison shot and killed his 7-year old son and his four daughters because his wife left with another man?
Was that not an honor MASS killing? It was even worse since he did not kill his wife who dishonored him but took it out on 5 other persons, young children.
Yet this mass murder was not labeled neither “Christian” nor ”honor killing”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1167691/Controlling-father-kills-son-daughters-wife-leaving-man.html
6. What is the motivation of the writer for this story? To generate comments such these:
• NotAnArab 04/01/2010 9:37:46 AM
Islam is a cancerous mental disorder. The Americans and the Chinese need to team up to wipe Islam off the face of the earth. Step 1 - Drop a nuke on Mecca during the annual pilgrimage. How hilarious would that be?
RTF is allowing hate speech and call to genocide on its page. You are breaking US laws and US constitution.
7. Murder is a murder is a murder is a murder !!! Anyone who manipulates loss of innocent live to spread hatred and anyone who allows it to be published on 3 pages in Goebels propaganda style is just spreading religious and ethnic hatred and wants to turn our country into mindless dictatorship. Don’t you see what the real purpose of the article was?
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Prasad Tata 04/02/2010 4:26:00 PM
It is such as a sad thing that an young life abruptly ended.. call it whatever... honor killing, dowry death, fatwa..., look at the other side of the story. It is problem of adjustment to the cultures. Family heads trying to adjust to the new cultures and trying to raise the family with set of values they believed all their life (no disrespect on American values) A father can never, ever hurt his children. Pay attention to the comments Noor in the first two pages... His fat ass, asshole does any child talk like this about his/her father? (honor and respect are not to be demanded they have to be earned). Fault is on both sides perhaps an illiterate father trying to adjust in a foreign country culture and rebillious daughter at the age of 18-20 thinks she knows much more than the elders who cared for her all their life. If she hated the father so much why didn't she move into a bigger and more secure city. I think she too is not that educated (perhaps may have some bqsic education by attending community college.. perhaps her parents are unable to afford better education). At the end a young beautiful girl life terminated untimely leaving grief for the entire neighborhood. I see this as a complex situation of poor communication among of family members and lack of understanding and difficulty in havfing a direct talk among themselves and lack of social support resulted in this tragedy.
You can chhose to be whatever you wanted but try not forget your roots, values and respect the tradition (does jews, irish, greek and germans forget their tradition?) but still adopt and mingle in your adopted homeland. If everyone understand this things would have been different.
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The Dude 04/02/2010 10:50:00 AM
Dear future immigrants of America,
Please check your backwards assed traditions in whatever country you are from. That crap is not welcome here at all. We do not practice Islamic law here and WE NEVER WILL!
If you want to live a repressive lifestyle, do not come here to this country. Stay where you are.
Signed,
Citizen of the United States of America
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god given rights 04/02/2010 8:25:00 AM
A response to Mohamed's comment at 04/01/2010 4:21:38 PM:
Neither culture nor society nor governments create, grant or give rights to anyone. Being born gives us rights; Allah gives us rights. The West (and substantial portions of the rest of the world, though I suppose they'll never be the boogeymen your kind finds necessary to thrive) doesn't give women rights; it recognizes and respects those rights. Whatever modifier people may attach to it - traditional, extremists, fundamentalist, radical - Islam as practiced in far too many places around the globe strips women of rights. The Islam you have described, or whatever cultural label you may confer, is nothing more or less than the detritus that will in future generations of every culture and religion be remembered as the leavings of cowardly swine.
Every word you utter does us, as immigrants, Arabs, and Muslims harm. You are to Islam what Westboro is to Christianity. You are destroying our religion.
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MARY lou Koons 04/02/2010 6:41:00 AM
WHEN SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY COMES OVER HERE TO LIVE. DON'T THEY REALIZE EVEN WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM, WHY COME OVER HERE. DO THEY TAKE THE TEST TO BECOME AMERICAN CITIZEN. ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS DESTROY ALL OF US . THAT SHOULD BE HONORED
WHEN THEY COME TO MY COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T WANT FREEDOM HERE IN AMERICA THEN GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hester 04/02/2010 5:52:00 AM
Mohamed@ 4:21 said: "Just because the western world has a set of values which make it a crime to kill deviant people, it does not mean that it is the gold standard or the only right way to be in life."
It is if you CHOOSE to live in the West, sir, and that is where this crime took place!
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Hester 04/02/2010 5:47:00 AM
Was the illustration at the top really necessary? It looks like something a tabloid would print and cheapens the content and insults the young woman whose life was taken.
The article was deeply sad. A young life snuffed out because the father is trapped in that cultural baggage. Shame on the father, mother and cousin for their lies and excuses.
Perhaps it is time that all those applying for immigration to the West with this kind of cultural baggage, be educated and warned that that this mentality will not be tolerated and must be discarded. We have our own serious problems dealing with violence against women without adding something else to the mix.
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Mohamed 04/02/2010 4:22:00 AM
Most of the comments reflect an absolute lack of appreciation of culture and family ties. Somehow, the concept of family and togetherness seems completely alien to most of the commenters. The problem is the biased media which only makes noises when women are killed and never when men are killed for similarly shaming the family. Here is a man who has put his own life and livelihood at stake for the sake of culture and family values and everyone is taking turns at bashing him. Just because the western world has no respect for family and elders and their values and it is the norm to do what they please despite the displeasure of their parents, it does not make it right to abuse and insult parents on any day. Just because the western world has a set of values which make it a crime to kill deviant people, it does not mean that it is the gold standard or the only right way to be in life. In the muslim world, the father does everything to provide for his family and in turn expects respect...which this girl clearly had none of. In the muslim world, parents are almost equivalent to god(they are the closest thing to god on any given day) and disrespecting a parent, espescially one who expects the person to live in a decent manner is equivalent to insulting god. Ultimately, people should face the consequences of their actions...but then, the western world and its bullshit feminism only know of one way of life....to screw men all the time and pamper women all the time.
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Gina 04/02/2010 1:00:00 AM
Honor killing? Please. What's honarable about a man running down 2 innocent women with his car, fleeing, and then lying about it? If he belived an 'honer killing' was the right thing to do, why didn't he at least man up instead of being such a lying little wuss? Sorry folks there is no honor here just a cowardly, evil, delusional man. I hope he gets the justice he deserves.
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Eric Mitchem 04/01/2010 11:54:00 PM
I have never understood the Muslim culture and how it can be believed they even worship God..Nobody owns anybody its that simple and to do a "dis-honor killing is repulsive!!! The United States should ban imports form countries that treat Women like the have no rights..Stories like this are too often just never listened to..Very sad that girl might of one day cured cancer or solved global warming.
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Wanda Henderson 04/01/2010 11:40:00 PM
It sickens me every time I read an article like this. I once worked as a dispatcher for the St Louis Metro Police Dept. and we had a crime committed exactly like this one. A young girl was killed by her father while the mother stood by and watched. All under the guise of "family honor". It's horrific. These women are duped into believing they do not have the same rights as the men in their culture. They follow an archaic religious code of conduct that in this day and age is ridiculous. If men like Mr. Almaleki cannot abide by our laws then maybe they should continue to reside in their country of origin where that type of abhorrent behavior is still accepted.
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NotAnArab 04/01/2010 9:38:00 PM
Islam is a cancerous mental disorder. The Americans and the Chinese need to team up to wipe Islam off the face of the earth. Step 1 - Drop a nuke on Mecca during the annual pilgrimage. How hilarious would that be?
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IBC 04/01/2010 9:12:00 AM
"Just to be clear 99+% of muslims don't murder and use the koran or family honor for justification, 99+% of any polulation does not murder and use religion or honor for jsutification" Well nice cliche'. Unfortunately, it's NOT just 1% of Muslims (although that would still leave a few hundred thousand) Actually, a poll of AMERICAN Muslims said that 25% believed that killing innocent people in the name of Allah was justified! What does that say about the Arab Muslims?!!! No, these are not just isolated incidents they are incidents that tell a much larger story about a group of people that are so brainwashed that they believe that evil is good.
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Mike Newbury 04/01/2010 6:34:00 AM
Lets be accurate about a few things...yes this is news worthy...it was a murder with a cultural motivation. Yes these things do happen according to the UN. Yes the professor is a expert on the Koran...but so are others who might disagree with him and claim to be an expert. Personally attacking the messenger helps no one. Finally we did have an honor killing by a muslim in St. Louis, it was about 20 years ago and the FBI caught it on tape because they where bugging the fathers house due to his connections to the PLO or Hamas.
Just to be clear 99+% of muslims don't murder and use the koran or family honor for justification, 99+% of any polulation does not murder and use religion or honor for jsutification...its the nut bags who try to use family honor or religious beliefs to justify murder that I am critical of.
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m. randolph 04/01/2010 4:34:00 AM
RFT publishing this in St. Louis DOES have a connection! We have yet to have an honor killing that we know of. But, we will. We have black American Muslims with multiple wives here in St. Louis. Sometimes they run away. We have immigrants from counties that live by this tribal rule. I pray we don't have it, but with this article we will be aware.
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irishalaman 04/01/2010 2:19:00 AM
Kudos to the RFT for having the IRISH to print this story.
The sad thing is, we keep importing this SECT into our country as if they will not destroy us from within. It is stupidity or worse. Worse probably.. We must stop letting Muslims into the country. Discrimiante against ANY religion that preaches this c rap. 70 Virgins for killing a Jew. What the heck kind of religion is that? by judeo-chrisitan standards mohmmed was hardly a religous icon. More of a tribal.......
I am so proud of the RFT.. Really took some IRISH to print this story....
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american veteran 04/01/2010 1:39:00 AM
WTF is the 43 y/o fried ON WELFARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Andrew 04/01/2010 1:21:00 AM
I'm consistently disappointed by the subjects chosen for RFT cover stories. Why is this story in the ST. LOUIS newsweekly? I realize the Phoenix New Times is owned by the same company as the RFT, but surely there is something local you could write about.
The only story worse than this was http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2008-01-23/news/ghost-boat which had an extremely tenuous St. Louis connection (it was basically a Florida story), and had which had been extensively covered in the national media a few months earlier so the RFT's reporting didn't even add anything new to the story.
The most popular subject for RFT cover stories seems to be sordid tales of rich white guys whose lives totally fall apart. The details vary, but we've had stories along these lines about a 7-Up heir, art thieves, partners in a restaurant falling out, that doctor who freaked out and trashed patient records, the guy with the mortgage (or was it real estate) company with a memorable phone number, a guy with a gold coin scam, etc.
Just to shake things up a little, we did have the story of a not rich, white person who stopped being a guy and become a woman but as usual for the subject of an RFT cover story, her life fell apart.
As much as I'm bored by stories of rich white guys brought low, at least these are local. Surely there was some rich dude who flipped out and ran into legal troubles in the last couple of months that you could've written about instead.
The article about McKee's development activities on the north side a few weeks was exactly the kind of story the RFT should publish more. It was local and truly informative. Enough with the national stories and rich white guy schadefreude.
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Brad 04/01/2010 1:19:00 AM
"May Allah help her dad"?!!! Are you kidding me? It was Allah's will! Allah demands murder of the disobedient. Ok, and we want the Jews to stop building in Jerusalem? By the way, Jerusalem is in Israel---that's their own frickin' country you liberal morons! That's like saying, "You Americans stop building in LA because we only want Latinos there!" WTF?!!!
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Mike 04/01/2010 12:37:00 AM
If he the "father" does not like our American ways, he and his family should return to thier homeland and return to the 18th century style of living. He and his family most likely would not survive. All his assets should be turned over to the state of AZ and let him leave with nothing and forfeit any and all SS benefits he would have recieved.
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don 04/01/2010 12:35:00 AM
Happens all the time. Muslim killing in the name of the moon god Allah. Sounds crazy but its unfortunately true. Interesting that Christians are the ones demonized. The worst they do is say "Smile, Jesus loves you!" LOL Oh well, maybe someday the RFT will actually do a positive or at least neutral and honest story on anything associated with Christians. Ha! But seriously, it's really sad. They really do need to know what God is really like. He may be a hater of evil but God is no hater of people. Christianity is about laying down your life for other people as Jesus did. Islam would be the opposite in some ways and I just hope Muslims don't get the chance to take over the world as they have in some parts and force Islam on everyone. That would suck.
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D Washington 04/01/2010 12:05:00 AM
This is making me so angry. What's so honorable about lying. And if culture was such a problem for this muslim family, why didn't they move back to wherever they came from!
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D Washington 03/31/2010 11:59:00 PM
Now I would think if a man "honor killed" a family member, he would do the "honorable" thing of taking responsibility for his actions and face the consequences, even if it meant capital punishment. But nooooooooo!!! This unemployed, chronic gambler, (gambling away the welfare checks?) plans the murder and get away. Honor my arse!!
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tbarry 03/31/2010 11:47:00 PM
Perhaps we dont label ours as "honor killings" but we live in a culture that doesn't value women and tolerates violence and gross discrimination against them. Annually, many hundreds of women are killed by their husbands, lovers and fathers in America for basically the same baloney. We don't treat women equally in any sphere of our society. Many mainstream churchs call for women to be subservient to men. This has a lot more to do with the culture of men than any religion. Religion only reinforces the same male prerogatives whatever the culture.
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H.A 03/31/2010 9:33:00 PM
this Ignorant (PROFF) HE IS NOT AN EXPERT ON THE KORAN, if he is he knows very well that Islam the greate relegion of mankind honorred women when they were slaves more than 14 centuries ago and respected women and men when the whole world was in darkness and those women are our mothers and sisters we do honor them if they honor themselves and act morally.
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shirley 03/31/2010 6:45:00 PM
Why come to america in the first place if you don't want your kids to be too american !! If you hate american lifestyle sooo much why did you come here ??? Why do you come to america and you hate it so much ?? You KILLED your own flesh and blood cause..... she shamed you and your culture ??? Go back to your country and live out the rest of your days there with all of your family and remember the life you took. YOUR OWN !!!
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kathy 03/31/2010 6:41:00 PM
Can't believe our sons and brothers and even our fathers are fighting for people who have these inhumane beliefs. Where is
their joy and love for life? Do they forget it's an honor to
simply be alive? How do they give themselves so much authority
over other lives just because they are men? Nooo, they aren't
men, they are simply scared to live and let live....everyone
has that right. I tell him....go home if it's not too late or
stay and be imprisoned for taking another person's life!!
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Carol 03/31/2010 9:24:00 AM
I am tired of these people coming to the US and wanting to keep their traditional Moslem values that include the unequal treatment of women. If you want to be a traditional Iraqi, then stay in Iraq. IF you come to the U.S., then adopt American values.
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Bone 03/31/2010 7:08:00 AM
You write an entire story on how this maniac killed his own daughter "for honor" based on a culture's religious beliefs and then call Pamela's site anti-Muslim? Did you find evidence for being pro-Muslim? How about calling her site pro-truth about Islam? Didn't you investigate the truth first hand? It was a good piece until then, I knew there would be something to ruin the whole thing at the end.
You're a complete, gutless douche.
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R Galis 03/31/2010 5:51:00 AM
There is a significant portion of the male muslim community that is very sick and corrupt. Their inability to take true responsibility for their own actions coupled with their ability to rationalize any behavior makes them extremely dangerous to society. In many ways they are equivalent to white supremacists but are more dangerous because they exist in larger numbers (a ticking time bomb). Unfortunately, the actions of this group lead to generalization about all muslim males, which of course are incorrect.
I just hope the muslim community around the world will evolve to the point where such actions as "honor killings" will be seen to bring disgrace to the family and not pride.
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Pete Moss 03/31/2010 5:14:00 AM
Don't worry the ACLU will taker hisd case. The ACLU will state that local, State and Federral laws violate this killer's rights.