Readers talk shit about our headline and the Schapiro Group study — but couldn't care less about Ian's oyster issues

CAFE, MARCH 31, 2011
OYSTERS? OY VEY
Critic on the half shell: Why send a reviewer to DeMun Oyster Bar who doesn't like oysters ["A Shellfish Man," Ian Froeb]? He starts on about how this is "a personal challenge."

I don't want to read about your reviewer's psychological problems. I want to read about restaurants!
Jock Gunter, Clayton

FEATURE, MARCH 31, 2011
COLBY'S FATHER KNOWS BEST
All the shit that's fit to print: Wow — what a headline ["Shit Colby Rasmus' Dad Says," Larry Borowsky]. I think cursing is for people who can't think of anything intelligent to say. I can't believe that you had to resort to using a horrible curse word. How sad that you had to belittle yourself to such a debased state of mind to get your point across.
PJ Young, via the Internet

Earth to PJ: If you have not already guessed, the title is a play on the famous Twitter account "shitmydadsays." Which in turn has now become a TV show on CBS starring William Shatner. You look like a fool now.
Anon, via the Internet

Rude, lewd and crude: PJ Young is no fool, Anon, but you are in contention. Just because there is a "famous" Twitter account or TV show doesn't make it acceptable. You're just letting yourself be led by other fools. Go wash your mouth out with soap.

And by the way, why didn't the author of the piece use symbols ($#*!) like the TV show does? To get readers' attention, of course. Even though he has no censors, he could have censored himself and used symbols, since he was referring to a TV show that does so. It seems that popular culture is crude, and there are those that want to make it cruder. Too bad.
Mama, via the Internet

More shit-talk: My momma used to say that a sure sign of "lack of intelligence" is someone who has to resort to cursing. What a shame the author has to be so illiterate.
Good sense is not common, via the Internet

FEATURE, MARCH 24, 2011
SCARE TACTICS
Hostages to the moral majority: What you have to realize is that news organizations would never go out of their way to question these so-called statistics ["Weird Science," Nick Pinto]. It is a lose-lose situation. Could you just imagine Channel 5 airing a cover story about how they investigated claims of sex slaves and underage prostitution on backpage.com and found little evidence of either? It will never happen, because they would suffer more backlash from people wondering what their motives were for doing such a story.

The moral majority (really a minority) is still a powerful group in this culture, and media that relies on advertising dollars will give in to them.
Annon, via the Internet

Fake teens: I wonder if they count the cops posing as teen hos in their bogus statistics. Further evidence of the witch hunt can been seen in a recent issue of the Post-Disgrace regarding a Clayton man who was sentenced to ten years in the pokey (pun intended) for responding to an ad placed by a cop pretending to be an underage prostitute on backpage.com.

I've looked at those ads but have never seen any that advertise underage girls. So he answered an ad for an adult escort and they did the old bait-and-switch when he got there?
Dannybodin80, via the Internet

ERRATA
In last week's feature story, "Tow Truck Yourself" by Nicholas Phillips, we misattributed a quote by a rival trucker who does not like Mark Robbins. The man who spoke negatively about Robbins is Mike Hyndrich, not Mark Hyndrich.

 
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Roy
Roy

Why is this story even on Yahoo still? What a bunch of kids that saying a cuss word is something to talk about. Grow up - Get a life!!!!!!

Guest
Guest

Fuck all this bullshit.

BeelDiablo
BeelDiablo

What was that saying about golf and four letter words? Oh yeah all the other four letter words were already taken, that's why they call it golf. However people are not offended when they see golf in a headline!

ja
ja

Vulgar words come from small minds.

James
James

After five days (every day getting a note from Yahoo! to the effect: "The matter has been brought to our attention and we have passed it on to the appropriate level") since asking if there was a filter or something that would bleep such words, today I got an e-note from AT&T saying, in effect, "Don't bother us with it. Call somebody." That gave me quite a laugh, which I suppose is the proper reaction when conversing with robots. Anyway, this has been fun. I know just by our checking in from time to time to see the responses this column is likewise accumulating hits, which is keeping the whole issue alive, so I suggest since Yahoo! and AT&T aren't going to do anything, we just bail and hope this subject finally croaks and RFT takes it off their hot list. I'm SURE there are other RFT writers and stories who would love and deserve to get advertised on the Yahoo! home page, and are as sick of seeing this "Readers talk shit ..." header as I am.

BigVal
BigVal

HEY Watch your language!!!

sumac
sumac

Enough already, remove this headline from my main page!

RFT_is_Trash
RFT_is_Trash

RFT = Liberal Trash News. I am Embarrassed to admit this POS is a St Louis newspaper.

Mshook12
Mshook12

I wouldn't wipe my a$$ with an RFT. RFT must select its "journalists" according to who works the cheapest

RFT_is_Trash
RFT_is_Trash

Typical RFT mantra - say publish "SHIT", get it on Yahoo home page and CHIDREN see it. Congrats scumbag liberal slime.

Prefers good writing
Prefers good writing

I'm getting really tired of opening the main Yahoo! page and seeing this idiotic headline.

Trisha
Trisha

I am disgusted and offended by the language that was used in this 'journalism'. If that's the lows you must go to in order to have readers, I think you've lost many. I agree with those who have said that I can turn away from the writer of such illiterate trash but must see it every time I open Yahoo.

The values and morals of a nation shows a sad sign of its decline. There are many of us out here saying, 'Clean up your act or we want nothing to do with you'.

Trisha

Goldie1957
Goldie1957

To use an old but applicable cliche, the Riverfront times is nothing more than a rag, and has been for many years. It's now instinctive resort to verbal sneers and foul language in place of wit, are but signs of a desperate search for relevance and a viable market. Like many who've followed such tactics, they're path will be that of increasing marginalization. Judging from the ever thinning size of their product, this inexcusable waste of trees may not ba around much longer.

everready
everready

come on all you hypocrites. like you never curse.

Abyssa8
Abyssa8

using words as such shows nothing but a lack of intelligence, write your articles for the underground magazines that embrace such words, not articles my 14 years might read just because he is able to read, and might actually want to read about current events! I shouldn't have to montior my freagin homepage for cursing. I am completely shocked, and I am not a pansie just because it offends! You are just proving the argument of moral decay taking over society. A good writer witholds words such as these even if they feel that it is appropriate especially in any kind of publication that is read by most of society. I have more respect for one who can take something like this and make an argument void of cussing, it shows couth, intelligence,and now, it seems courage, I cannot believe how society is changing before my eyes, this is the reason children lose any shred of innocence by the age of six or seven that they so graciously had in 50's. I hate this world. I pray the Lord returns soon!

Mcclureclara57
Mcclureclara57

I can not believe that you have lowered your standards to cursing. Not a good move. with your education I am sure you can find a more educated way to communicate.

Darrell Lynch
Darrell Lynch

This is shameful language to use in a public forum. I'd expect this kind of thing in the ghetto, or the cornfield, but not here. You should be embarrassed.

Barlance
Barlance

I can be as crude as I want, but I have the sense to use discretion

Jf
Jf

So how long does this rediculous post have to remain on the front page? Come on, haven't you enjoyed enough "shock value" on this one? Surely there is something actually interesting that could replace it, right?

Guest
Guest

I saw the word "shit" yahoo's front page and clicked the link to this article. lol

theoppositeofgodliness
theoppositeofgodliness

the first amendment laughs at the victims of bad taste.. please, kindly go fook yourself..

Lotan
Lotan

lol like you havent seen the word shit, the world is comming to a end lmfao

BeelDiablo
BeelDiablo

Wikipedia - Shit is usually considered a vulgarity and profanity in Modern English. As a noun it refers to fecal matter (excrement) and as a verb it means to defecate or defecate in; in the plural ("the shits") it means diarrhea. Shite is also a common variant in British English and Ireland English.[1] As a slang term, it has many meanings, including: nonsense, foolishness, something of little value or quality, trivial and usually boastful or inaccurate talk, or a contemptible person. It may also be used as an expression of annoyance, surprise, or anger.

Jimjd18495
Jimjd18495

certainly should have been worded in a much more proffesional manner

Moviecriticbrad
Moviecriticbrad

You aren't referred to as "The Riverfront Slimes" for nothing.

clarkkent
clarkkent

Wow. The RFT is real sophisticated now using four letter words that, that money spent on your journal degrees really went to good use. Unfortunately, it's a reflection of society and popular culture's lack of restraint and inability to express an idea without resorting to using gutter level street language. I shouldn't be surprised though this is the same paper that featured nudity on the cover, ads for strip clubs, and 1-900 sex lines and that is freely available to anyone of any age anywhere in St. Louis.

Gary D
Gary D

I have spent years teaching my children that the need to use profanity is proof that a person does not have the vocabulary necessary to express themselves in polite company. I refuse to allow them to speak in my house using profanity, then I look at the headlines on Yahoo and see where a so called journalist cannot express himself without resorting to profanity. It is a sad state of affairs when this type of language is prominently displayed. Too bad you did not receive your education at a quality institution.

James
James

I don't want to have to cancel otherwise useful features on my Yahoo! home page until I learn if this is as issue RFT has control over, or Yahoo! Somebody mentioned there is a way to personalize the feature; does that mean removing the Riverfront Times headlines altogether, essentially shutting down quick and easy access to the electronic version, or removing the entire local news section (eliminating the PD link, the Belleville papers, TV sites, and all)? I don't want to do that ... sort of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I like clicking on a headline and getting the story and the publication ... and I do like to go to RFT and see what's there. Big fan of "Piano." If anybody knows what switches and gizmos I need to activate / deactivate so my delicate, 59 year old, graduate degree'ed in English literature, former community radio activist (KOPN in Columbia, Missouri), military veteran, thrice-married, organ-transplant recipient, former newspaper graphics editor, who's never watched a single episode of NYPD Blue, and has written and published a hand full of short stories (light fiction) ... so I can pop on my home page and not see the word "shit" PURELY BECAUSE in my own small, otherwise totally socially inept, unhip and fascistic universe of bad parenting and hypocrisy, such words appearing in print HAVE IMPACT, otherwise they wouldn't be used (and I've used them a lot and hear them a lot but still ...) I'm all ears. I am in my third twenty-four-hour period of receiving robot emails from Yahoo! about it, but if somebody knows the secret, lemme know. I don't care a whit if RFT runs "shit" in 180 point across the cover; it just bugs me to have it show up on the "privacy" of my home page.

Guest
Guest

Seriously, stop cursing in headlines!

Mrtimmy63052
Mrtimmy63052

With a headline like that I wont even bother reading the story, As far as I am concerned there is NO story.Journalism seems to be going to hell in a hand basket and NOONE in journalism seems to care. Stand up for you chosen field and make it respectable once again. Do not GO WITH THE FLO or you too will not be respected as a journalist.

kirchfam
kirchfam

You should not be putting that bad word on the front page of Yahoo news.

Lance Manion
Lance Manion

RFT is a hack rag - go ahead and put more 4-letter words in your headlines... your readers will continue to drop like flies.

Jared
Jared

Oh shut up! If you don't like reading it then don't. Just like Edited movies on T.V. If there is a comedy on T.V it gets ruined and all the FUNNY is taken out because of you A@#holes. Why does everthing in the world have to be how You want it to be? Your oppinion is noted. Now go find somthing else to bitch about.

Ryan
Ryan

Please refrain from typing out that detestable word, my children may read it.

Alleninstl
Alleninstl

So use another search engine? I know logical thinking, it's a shame some of us should use it.

Alleninstl
Alleninstl

This one big, run-on sentence, shows a lack of intelligence. Just saying.

cat woman
cat woman

I know! I can't believe the number of blue-haired old biddies on here, complaining about the word shit in a paper that features a sex advice columnist and a gazillion adult ads!

Mrtimmy63052
Mrtimmy63052

Jared, lets remember that the RFT out in the public. If the rft wants to be a subscription base then I would agree, however my children and your children , if you have any , can pick this publication up anywhere. My children do not need ANYMORE bad influences in the public. If they want to post four letter words like that then they should go to a private publication. Then and only then would i agree with you. ANY public publication has the responsability to publish repectfuly written work.

Mshook12
Mshook12

Alleninstl - Do you work for the RFT?

Seriously, how about you go be jerky and self-satisfied by yourself. You know you want to.

Mshook12
Mshook12

Alleninstl - Not clever, not funny. I would suggest that you get a life, but you're such a self-obsessed tool you deserve to waste your life cyber-bullying folks. Pathetic.

Also - learn how to use punctuation before you rip on someone for their intelligence. You don't need any of those commas.

James
James

You do realize that the way you are stereotyping people with whom you disagree advertises your bigotry far more than it bespeaks your liberality and open-mindedness? Back home we'd call your stance "hypocritical." Such is the power of language -- in this case, YOUR language -- which speaks to the heart of this "debate," that language IS the issue. I doubt, though, you are intellectually capable of grasping that. The use/abuse of profanity diminishes the effectiveness of strong language and ultimately leads to the equivocation / dilution of terms and idioms. I strongly, STRONGLY suggest you read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" in order to get a START toward understanding the power of words. You do not understand language. You understand vitriol and arrogance, but you do not understand language.

curiouser&curiouser
curiouser&curiouser

What kind of parent is so insecure they're afraid to let their kids see the word "shit" in print? In most healthy households, each person sees real shit every day. WTF?

Jamie P
Jamie P

Why is it always someone else's job to parent everyone's children? If you shield them from every little thing that is deemed immoral or bad, how do you expect them to react in the real world? You end up with children who can't take jokes, criticism, or anything out of their comfort zone and wind up with serious mental problems. You take sheltered kids and throw them into the big bad world and they can't cope. No wonder there's so many teen suicides and murders. Not to mention the mass amount of them on prescription drugs for depression and anger issues. Trust me, your kids have heard worse than this from their own friends. Anyone who disagrees, you are living in your own world and are unbelievably naive.

Yahoo has a personalization option. Your computer and internet options have parental controls. If you don't want those kinds of things on the homepage, simply take the time to edit them. As far as what your children see on the computer, maybe you should be a little less worried about what others are doing and monitor your child's internet usage. Everyone is so quick to blame the media, the music, television, etc. Blame everyone but yourselves. Why is it never the parent's fault for lack of interest and involvement in their child's lives? Take your kids out to a park or play a board game with them. TV and internet are NOT babysitters like the whole of this country has used them to be. And I'd be willing to bet that while most of you are zombied out at your computers, arguing about this and probably every other thread you could find to voice your opinion, your child is in the other room playing Halo, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, or some other violent video game. Or maybe they're just watching MTV and the glorification of being a Teen Mom. Do you really think that these other media outlets don't have an effect on kids? Bad things are all around and your child needs the skills to deal with them, not to be so smothered. It is YOUR job as the PARENT to teach your children right from wrong, not the media.

Alleninstl
Alleninstl

No i do not. Jerky you say? Nah, just amazed how you people who are so offended feel the best to play to cry about cursing is on the internet, on a forum. Get where i'm going with this?

Jamie P
Jamie P

I'm so happy to see my hard earned tax dollars going to such good use. Obviously, the public school system has done wonders for you and your education. It's really amazing that people still can't spell on a thread that has a built in spell check.

"My children are only an arms lenth from me at any time in public.... Is that not a shame ????"

Yes, that is a shame. It is a shame that you feel the need to shelter your children so much that you don't let them out of your sight. Now, assuming that they are very young children, maybe not so much a shame. But if they are indeed that young, there's not much to worry about because unless you were one of those parents that bought a "My Baby Can Read," your kids probably have no clue what the paper even says.

On a personal note, judging by your own spelling and grammar errors, I'm really hoping you go ahead and let someone else teach your sheltered children how to read and write, and encourage them to go much farther in school than you obviously did. Of course, you are more worried about what an article in the RFT says, so I seriously have little hope of this ever happening.

Maybe instead of complaining about this here, you should sit down and have a talk with your kids about what's right and wrong. Explain to them that these are curse words and they're not to be used. My 5 year old understands this. He also understands that just because other people are out there acting stupid, it doesn't mean he's allowed to. And when you inevitably hear one of your children use one of those god awful words, you punish them. It's pretty simple. They look to US, the PARENTS for how to act. Not the media, not anyone else. Take responsibility for raising your children right. Stop leaving it to the rest of the world, because god only knows what they'll learn out there. Probably words like "shit".......

cat woman
cat woman

Um, are you aware this paper has a sex advice columnist, and several adult-oriented ads? Yet you're getting your bloomers in a twist over a little four-letter word? Really? Seriously?

So when you're out in public with your kids, do you expect everyone else who may happen to be in the same place to conform to your standards? What do you do if - horror of horrors - your poor children happen to overhear someone say shit or damn?

Mrtimmy63052
Mrtimmy63052

The RFT is a public paper also. rememer the paper ? The paper you can pick up at any PUBLIC place for FREE. There is not a privacy control on a FREE publication that is at any retail store or food joint you go into. My children are only an arms lenth from me at any time in public.... Is that not a shame ???? That is what the world is becoming, in part because of the poor choices of people who are suppose to be responsable and set GOOD examples. Everyone has a choice most of the time. Not in this case . very bad choice RFT

 
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