A KC resident says St. Louis has too much pride. Discuss.

DAILY RFT, JULY 22, 2011
STL PRIDE
Down with love: Only a person from St. Louis could be delusional enough about their city to make a documentary about the predominant building material found in their urban core ["Tosh.0 Lampoons Brick Documentary, Pleases Filmmaker," Chad Garrison]. Attention: You're not that special. I love the city, but most of its residents have an inflated idea of it. You're not Philadelphia, Boston, NYC or Chicago.

I just spent a weekend in your great city and had, as usual, a great time, but the people were a little too into bragging about STL. It's really the only thing keeping STL from being one of my favorite small cities.

I live in Kansas City, a city with a unique history as well (political machines, large mafia, interesting varieties of architecture, unique style of jazz and BBQ), but we don't talk about it all the time like STL residents do.

In conclusion: Love your city, but you guys just need to cool it off a little.
Thescribiner, via the Internet

How we really roll: Huh, that's weird. My friends and I always sit around dissing STL, dreaming of moving someplace better. Then we go back to playing Xbox.
Mike N., via the Internet

Open your eyes: St. Louis is a beautiful city. I don't think this film is saying it's better than KC, Chicago or New York.

Why are people knocking someone who is trying to explain something about our history, something that most people don't know? The city of St. Louis has a unique style of brick, and the degree of ornamentation will surprise you if you leave and then come back and observe.
Douglas Duckworth, via the Internet

Domestic abuse victim: I knew someone who compared St. Louis to a battered spouse. I think that is actually a fair comparison — it's been neglected, exploited and pissed on over the past few decades. I think it needs to catch up and can use all the love it can get. Residents with lots of civic pride and love in their hearts are the least of our problems. We need more STL-centric people, in my opinion.
Cordovablittering, via the Internet

FROM THE BLOGS, JULY 21, 2011
TWITTER WARS
Race card fail: Apparently Alderman Antonio French isn't aware that the city of St. Louis is now predominately black ["City Hall Insult of the Week: You Tweet Like a Girl," Albert Samaha]. Sorry, Frenchie, the race card doesn't work here anymore.
Mo_rich, via the Internet

View from the 'burbs: To be very honest, I consider Forest Park to be a "black" park. Tower Grove is almost as "black." On any given day in both parks, more blacks than whites are present there. I think Mr. French's arguments are somehow rooted in the racial makeup of St. Louis in the late '50s and early '60s. I consider St. Louis to be a "black city," much like Detroit. So, Mr. French, the speed bumps protect "yours" as well as "theirs."
Mike, via the Internet

FEATURE, JULY 21, 2011
THE CHESS MASTER
Chess capital of the world: Great article ["Searching for Hikaru Nakamura," Kelsey Whipple]! For me it is fascinating to read about the chess community, and I cannot believe they are local.
Xraylibra Crew, via the Internet

The real No. 1: Nakamura is elite for sure, definitely top 10, and I don't mind his abrasive attitude because he plays such exciting chess. However, Magnus Carlsen is the present and future of chess. My children are huge football and MMA fans, but they know who Magnus is and follow his games on their own like their favorite player/fighter.

Again, Hikaru is awesome, a rare talent — but, as he notes, in chess everyone should be considered equal. And that means nationality as well. With that in mind, please recognize that Magnus is the best player and the best hope for chess.
Sthinelk7, via the Internet

 
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26 comments
tombeebe
tombeebe

I don't know about pride, but the city's leadership sure has been deficient in imagination. Case in point, the acquarium that never was in the old Arena. Thanks be for Cassily and Joe Edwards. We need mostly some imagination and leadership in the black community, towards individual responsibility and away from the entitlement mentality.Unles it develops soon, we'll see riots like Philadelphia and London. Only blacks (aka hyphenated Americans) can save blacks, and our cities, from blacks.

Alice C. Dames
Alice C. Dames

I also live in the city, the south side, and I have to echo previous comments. Playing the race card does nothing more than fracture our city residents and encourage people not to live and work here.

Crime and danger are not isolated to the north side. The south side also has its fair share of dangerous areas, and there's quite a bit of cultural and racial diversity. That diversity is what brought us back to the city. My family and I recently chose to leave the county and move back to the city and we absolutely love our diverse neighborhood.

Take a drive up and down Hampton, and you'll see plenty of African American residents walking to/from their housing, shopping, and waiting for a Metro bus. When I venture up Hampton, the African American residents are just about equal if not greater that to the combined mixture of Caucasians, Latin Americans and Asians.

Dooinok
Dooinok

It would be a great place if the gangs and crime were not an issue. The boogie men come out at night.....better be off the streets.

guest
guest

I'm originally from near the KC area.

I like both KC and St Louis...both are much better than where I live now, Indianapolis.

CCoz
CCoz

If there are more blacks in the parks than whites, maybe it's because more blacks live in the inner city. However, that is not really a true assessment of the statistical analysis of the population of St. Louis. I always see more whites in Forest Park (the black park) than any other race of people. All the blacks were removed from the park back in the 1980s. Overall, a racist city--always has been and always will be. As far as people getting a check for the number of children they have--welfare reform has taken care of this. You need to keep up with the changes in policy because that problem has been fixed YEARS ago. Finally, agree with the statement that the town is run down and out. It's heyday ended right before WWII. Once riverboat travel was replaced by trains, that was the end of St. Louis. Poor planning and greedy redevelopers planned to remove blacks from the inner city and put them into high rise projects (or ghettos) was the city's downfall. The city never recovered from this poor planning and continued the downward spiral into its present deteriorated state.

Sharonportell
Sharonportell

I am 57 years old and have lived here all my life. St. Louis has a lot of old history and at one time was beautiful and charming. When we were kids I remember in the summer we could leave the doors and window opens when it was hot. Now, I don't go there unless I have to. It is dirty, torn up, and has become nothing more than a large combat zone. Drug dealers on every corner along with the prostitutes. Kids who think they are the best criminals going, people driving down the highway smoking their crackpipes, and shooting each other, yeah that is a lot to brag about isn't it.Grow up stop the crap and make it what it use to be A great city to be proud of.

Sweet Potato
Sweet Potato

I was a teen when we moved to San Diego back in the 80's & my pride for STL came to the forefront. I bragged about the A-B brewery, the arch, & especially our zoo! A trip to the zoo was completely free at the time, San Diego charged $8 just to walk in the gate, not to mention parking & special exhibits. Yeah, they had Balboa Park, but we have Forest Park. They had the beach, but we had the ever-historic Mississippi River, the Admiral, Laclede's Landing, The Hill. We had a strong sense of neighborhoods, even within the city limits. Maybe that's where it began with me....but you'll never ever drag it out of me. I'm proud of where I came from......SO WHAT??? I guess the question is "why aren't you?" Hmmmm......

Grkaiser51
Grkaiser51

St Louis is SCARY! I've been here for 2 years and am in the final stages of moving to Virginia this Thursday, where there is much more Southern hospitality than here! Plus, it's a scary place to walk at night... you cannot go out an walk without some moron walking up the street that's scary as hell! I HATE this place; the weather, the neighbors, the crumbling cities, and especially all the red neck goatees!

Seewon1
Seewon1

To the people who believe StL is a "Black" city, ARE YOU ALL OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN' MINDS?! This town, run by a top racist (white) an all his henchmen, could not be more "white" if it were Vermont. What does the race of it's people have to do with the pride of it? Do you always consider race in every aspect of your lives? This is a story about some idiot who believes that we have too much pride in our city as a whole. Why then, do you bring race and Ald. French into the mix. Are you stupid? Do you need to re-read and possibly comprehend the article? Get a f'n grip.

Marty
Marty

I don't see the point in comparing cities. They're places to live. Some people like them and some people don't. Why get your panties in a bunch over it? It seems like a waste of energy to complain about such things. I'd prefer to hear residents bragging about their city than bashing it. Pride doesn't breed as much violence as hate does. I really wish you had included some form of logic in your argument.

Epmgaw
Epmgaw

Hey, Scribiner, blow it out your ass. Quit being such a jealous little flatland whiner and admit that our zoo is better than yours

PISS ON KC
PISS ON KC

What a butt nugget, it's funny how he says we have to much pride then he goes into all things about lame ass KC. Hypocrit much? KC blows Id hate us too if I lived there!

Adam C
Adam C

Whats to brag about? St Louis sucks. It's crime ridden, and a fake "Sports Town". IMO this city needs a good ol'fashion cleansing.

mick
mick

St. Loius isn't even close to Chicago, Boston or New York. People in St. Louis live in their own little world.

Sprtsmnprk
Sprtsmnprk

does alderman french understand that tower grove park is a private park and the city has nothing to do with it's up keep..just another reason to merge with the county and get rid of the board of alderman, just a bunch of self centered pricks...

twosox2112
twosox2112

"Only a person from St. Louis could be delusional enough about their city..."

FYI, the Chad Garrsion article mentions that Streeter is from Chicago, and took notice of the architecture after moving here...so it's not like he's a complete homer.

I think its probably common to have civic pride in any city, particularly if you've lived there for a long time. St Louis is not generally a destination city, so many residents have been here their whole lives, even for generations, which probably serves to compound the pride...like a small town.

Also I went to college in Springfield, hung out with a bunch of KC guys, and they bragged on KC all the time. If you like your city, why not be proud of it?

Tjaramaine
Tjaramaine

I can understand why KC does not want to give St. Louis its props. St. Louis moves, feels, and looks much more like a city than than KC. We have about 1 million more people live in St. Louis that KC (STL: 3 million, KC: 2 million). We look more urban when zipping down I-70, I-170, and I-44 and see our metrolink trains from the highway. A scene similiar to driving in Chicago and seeing the "L". KC has always had STL envy but STL has never has KC envy.

Mark
Mark

like kc but its way to close to ks, kanasa SUCKS!!

Distressed
Distressed

This town is run down and run out. It has been based on race for so many years. And it has finally caught up with the city. So many minorities have received so much for free for so many generations that the city has simply bled to death. Times past people worked hard in this city building it up. Projects like River Des Pere are no longer remembered. When you get money for free each month and that increases by the number of children you have there is no way that can be a benefit to the city. Those peoples position is give me more you owe it to me. And noone has the guts to say enough is enough, EARNT IT! It has clearly crept its way from north to south. The same mentality just a different neighborhood. Now those areas are becoming run down. Even new imigrants from 3 rd world countries dont want to live in the city because of those people. That's why they came here, because of government handouts and to leave a 3rd world situation. This is not racist this is just being honest.

Ihatepoorpeople22
Ihatepoorpeople22

Drug dealers on every corner? Where are you going Sharon, and why are you going there? I have lived in the city since 1997 and I have seen far more white ladies from West County actually buying drugs than anyone other social class. Maybe that is just because most people are generally smarter than West County white women, or maybe it is an anomaly.

St Louis is kind of a dirty butthole of a city, but it is better than Poplar Bluff and Chicago, which are incredibly similar if you have ever been to both places......I think it might be all of the fat chicks or the bad pizza. Or the fact that the only thing there is to do in either place is drink bad beer, bang fat chicks and eat bad pizza. Only science could really solve this mystery.

The crime in the city is not as bad as people say.....unless you leave your iPod on your seat, or have to walk by Larry Riceville. Or if you have to go anywhere the population of droopy drawers is more than two. Or if you win any money at the casino, or if you are a drunk Marine, or if you let your kids splash in the filthy disease festering fountain, or if you are Norf of Delmar in Droopydrawersylvania. No problems other than that.

smoker
smoker

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!!

Ihatepoorpeople22
Ihatepoorpeople22

Seewon......how is St Louis racist? What institution of the city is keeping people out based on their race? What are Slay's crimes against race? He is actually very nice in person.

Is Lewis Reed a racist? Who is keeping you down this time?

guessed
guessed

I can has likes your logics.....

Seewon1
Seewon1

KC wants to be St. Louis.

Seewon1
Seewon1

That was totally racist and absolutely WRONG. No one is given anything "free" unless they come from Croatia, Serbia or some place very foreign. I believe, though that St Louis has been run by racists since it began and now since Slay's are in office it's been way more prevalent. Still, people do express pride in our city and there's nothing wrong with that. We, as insiders know that it needs cleaning up and out starting with City Hall, all the department "Directors", and all cronies of both entities. Then it can truly be something to be proud of.

 
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