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04/12/2012 6:13:00 PM
A caption to one of the photos reads, "I'm black before I'm a Democrat." -- What the hell? What if someone said, "I'm White before I'm a Republican." Well, that person would be all over the news for being a racist.
Double standard.
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08/30/2011 5:28:00 PM
Local control would destroy the pensions of the current police.
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08/30/2011 5:27:00 PM
Their are and always has been a white underclass who are just as impoverish.
When you turn it into a race issue you loose because the numbers are not there.
MLK Always knew this.
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08/30/2011 5:23:00 PM
This paragraph says what is wrong here.
"So she's effective in the sense that she gets stuff done with the Republicans," she says, pulling the phone to her ear. "She'll say, 'Because I'm getting stuff for my people.' Her district is one of the poorest. I'm not too sure how much she's gotten...
I guess without campaign finance limits someone can happily buy her district now.
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Ihatepoorpeople22 08/29/2011 4:47:00 PM
Hey guy........ask yourself why so many people suspect blacks of crimes as a generalization? Is it because everyone in the world is an evil racist or is it because a lot of Blacks have no problem fully embodying these so called stereotypes?
I work for a charity that primarily benefits blacks from poor areas.......guess how many black volunteers we have?
Exactly one......he is a pretty cool guy.......
Why is it that you can sell out a Little Wayne concert in 20 mins, but you can't get more than 50% of your kids to graduate high school. It isnt like high school is difficult.
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Ihatepoorpeople22 08/29/2011 4:37:00 PM
When are Blacks going to accept responsibility for anything involving Blacks?
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Ihatepoorpeople22 08/29/2011 4:33:00 PM
Black people can't be racist......primarily because none of them even know what that word means. It is just something they cry when they want to get their way.
The Black community is annoying......spend some time there and tell me if you do not agree.
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Ihatepoorpeople22 08/29/2011 4:31:00 PM
You just a racist MrJr
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08/26/2011 8:24:00 PM
Fortunately, for her sake, the people who she is looking to represent are neither educated NOR informed.
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08/26/2011 8:23:00 PM
C'mon. She's fly!
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Mrjr54 08/25/2011 3:35:00 AM
Nasheed's comments sound more like a "campaign" comment ! Cage those votes early, as educated and informed voters don't buy the race card play. Clearly has signed her ticket to
back to the hood and unemployment line come the General elections.
You just can't fix stupid !
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Justice for me. 08/24/2011 5:44:00 PM
Her entire persona is so negro she is actually holding her community back. She would serve her community better being elected to the shampoo girl at alderman Flower's beauty salon.
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Mrjr54 08/23/2011 5:12:00 PM
Last time I checked this is the USA ! Hoods, territories, etc as subscribed to by the majority of "minorities" simply promotes "compartmentalization of our society. Until those elements progress out of the jungle culture there will be racism - period ! Playing the "race card" while subscribing to the behaviors that simply promote racism as evident in the majority of black communities and obviously subscribed to by Nasheed is clearly hypocritical, disingenuous and has diminished validity to race issue claims in the general populous ! One is either part of the problem or part of the solution > At the end of the day, Nasheed is clearly a promoter of the problem and ultimately defines her relevance - which is clearly Zero !
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08/22/2011 6:05:00 PM
Having actually read Evie J’s post… I don’t agree with your critique of Evie J’s post. First of all Evie doesn’t say anything about boycotting St. Louis. I also started out in North St. Louis. To be exact... North 18th street. Jackson School was outside our front window. We also left North St. Louis and became something.
Be that as it may, let’s say for the sake of discussion that you are right and that it’s institutionalized racism. And yet what if her assessment based on race is also correct? Where does that leave you?
It’s rather like the old line that goes: If you think everyone is out to get you they call you paranoid. But on the other hand… what if it’s true?
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Ronb77 08/22/2011 9:47:00 AM
leticia olalia morales of 15501 pasadena ave #8 tustin ca 92780 submitted fake documents and paid 5000 dollars to obtain a US tourist visa. she also submitted fake employment records to obtain a work visa. she is now applying for citizenship. her contact at the embassy was man named sandman.
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Guest 08/22/2011 12:11:00 AM
I'm white and I have been treated badly by blacks many times in my life. I've been assaulted on the street for walking down the sidewalk. I've been yelled at, called a "cracker", "white bread", and so much more. I do have black friends, I am not a racist, but any idiot can see that black people by and large are the criminals, drug addicts, murderers, and rapists of America.
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08/22/2011 12:08:00 AM
Good post. Double standards in the black community need stop.
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Guest 08/22/2011 12:07:00 AM
because you think all blacks are on crack and you should know because you're black and on crack??
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Guest 08/22/2011 12:06:00 AM
Whites keep blacks out of their businesses, that is untrue, jews keep blacks out of everything.
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08/22/2011 12:05:00 AM
Is this what the black is, a killer? Pathetic and predictable.
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Guest 08/22/2011 12:04:00 AM
Whites don't want to be around your criminal rapist ass.
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08/22/2011 12:02:00 AM
She's black before she's an American too.
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Saltyseadog 08/21/2011 6:48:00 PM
So the black muslim was hanging out at a Lil Wayne concert and she ran into the black baptist and they got catty? This should/could be an SNL skit. I guess when "Nasheed" did the stabbing she didn't get a felony charge/conviction...or can you run for office as a felon in Missouri?
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Ass 08/21/2011 8:20:00 AM
N I double G U R ess
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08/21/2011 5:58:00 AM
I don’t waste my time listening to rubbish created by the musically inept.
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******************* 08/20/2011 7:32:00 PM
Yeah, its like complaining about Aunt Jemimah.
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Nathan L. 08/20/2011 7:26:00 PM
Its fine if she wants to speak like she does to the people who speak that way too, but she will never be taken seriously among the educated if that's the way she chooses to get her political views across. That's not racist, that's fact.
True ignorance is thinking you can succeed without efforts to better yourself. Try interviewing for a job in any professional business or corporation today and you will never get a job speaking her ghetto style or having piercings all over your face or using bad grammar or going in with dirty clothes on or talking the trash you would to your friends or have yourself covered in tattoos. You will never be taken seriously. There is a professional bias regarding the minimally acceptable standard to succeed professionally which is unrelated to race given the examples mentioned. Until ignorant people such as yourself quit making excuses for people who think they deserve everything and won't reach up to an acceptable professional behavior, you and they will never, ever succeed.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 7:04:00 PM
I never said I didn't trust them, YOU did. What does acknowledging a stranger over someone you hang out with on a regular basis because they are the same color as you have anything to do with trust. Quit putting out negativity I never said or implied. To turn it back on me with lies is typical of a person who won't accept responsibility or accept the shortcomings of others or is a moron. That kind of mentality will keep you down to a loser status in some fairytale world where everything is always somebody's fault.
By the way, I did ask my black friends why they do that when we were out to lunch one day, and the response was "I didn't realize I did that".
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I_got_myxomatosis 08/20/2011 3:33:00 PM
You mean music that only people with elementary minds like? I don't suppose you've ever listened to groups and artists like Mos Def, Common, Gang Starr, Tribe Called Quest.....etc. I guess if they were more intelectually gifted like yourself, they could have written much more stimulating works like "Cat Scratch Fever" or "Free Bird" or whatever music your ultimately superior mind enjoys.
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08/20/2011 2:34:00 PM
James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Jamilah Nasheed. All great political intellectuals. Yeah.
Good luck constituents.
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guest 08/20/2011 8:30:00 AM
She is a lawn jockey or porch monkey first ! This is the RFT - what do you expect???
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iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 08/20/2011 4:43:00 AM
thats probably because they can see the racism in you that you cannot. dont call them friends if your going to say you dont trust them behind their backs on the internet
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iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 08/20/2011 4:41:00 AM
i think it would fall on deaf ears regardless when speaking to an ignorant racist such as yourself
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iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 08/20/2011 3:13:00 AM
how the hell is chappelle-nadal going to complain about nasheed siding with the democrats?? chappelle-nadal didn't even vote for obama ffs!!!
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Nathan L. 08/20/2011 2:54:00 AM
How can math, spelling or scientific principles such as those that apply to inert material be forcing a culture on someone for their own gain? Without such basic knowledge you will be a failure regardless of your skin tone. So forcing me to learn about slavery and Martin Luther King would be forcing your culture on me. I don't mind because I get a free day off of work for MLK day. Remembering a movement such as slavery is guaranteed in just about every history book. To suggest that it could happen again is outrageous. To use it as an excuse is destroying the black culture. I know black doctors, nurses and department managers who are very successful so obviously it didn't hold them back. Obviously the mentalities of north St. Louis "just want to forget" the mistakes of Vick and still run the risk of not learning a lesson that dog fighting is illegal but it is inconvenient to them, evidenced by all of the abused, tortured and injured dogs brought in to shelters on a regular basis from their areas. How do I know this??? I volunteer at one.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 2:34:00 AM
I work with a large percentage of black people. I have reached out to them and ignored what color their skin was. I have made several black friends and have had them to my home for parties. They were invited to my wedding. However, if we pass in the hallway at work and there is another black person or black people that they don't even know, they will completely blow me off and acknowledge total strangers just because they are black instead. I don't get it, I don't treat friends of any color like that and that kind of behavior is like an ever present underlying racism that black people keep alive within themselves.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 2:26:00 AM
Her "wisdom" would be more effective if it were brought up from a ghetto style of conversing to a normal conversation. Her style should be "what are WE going to do about it" without an amen or das right response.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 2:19:00 AM
Are most of the city's police officers black??? So you are basically saying it is a black on black problem.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 2:14:00 AM
I wish they could poll kids in a north St Louis kindergarten and ask them how many of them have a mother and father living at home, how many have never met their father, and how many have mothers under the age of 21. You are correct Gerald.
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Ethan L. 08/20/2011 2:11:00 AM
What she needs to get done first is damage control. Her remarks just set the black community back about 100 years.
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08/19/2011 7:41:00 PM
@Collective Agenda....When you are edu-ma-cating someone, it is always a good idea to chek yur spelin'. Freaking moron.
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Caseyr1112 08/19/2011 5:24:00 PM
People wonder why others are racist. I am white and after reading an article like this I now am one.
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08/19/2011 3:10:00 PM
I didn't conveniently leave anyone out. You just need a pair of glasses and then you need to read the last paragraph of my last post.
In addition the link to Wikipedia that you used is a classic example as to why I don’t like to use it for a source. Anyone can go on there and write anything they want. Be that as it may, on the page you reference you conveniently ignore the following warning at the top of the page to wit:
“The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (July 2011).”
In other words, who every wrote it made a lot of accusations but did not list any “facts” to support those accusations.
It smacks of the writings of a revisionist Democrat. Anyone who has seriously followed politics in America knows that a significant ploy used by Democrats is to take their worst attributes and try to accuse their opponents of that behavior.
Ah yes, with regard to great Southern Republican racists like Bull Conner, George Wallace, and Ross Barnett. Wait a minute- those are all Democrats! Indeed, it was only after they switched to the Republican party that formerly Democratic, formerly racist Southerners like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond backed away from or actively denounced racism. Yet the Senate Pro Temporae- Sa Democrat- was a KKK member, and the GOP is the racist party? Give me a break —
Speaking of the KKK... The Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life. Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves.
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Guest 08/19/2011 1:55:00 PM
Yes, who does Jamilah Nasheed think she is? She is a racist. I think the answer to her question to Mayor Slay is to tone down the vitriol of people like her. Whether you are black or white (and I am not going to mention other races just to throw them in to be politically correct, because this is about being black and or white in St.Louis), it is not fair or appropriate to admit as a politician that you put race before all else in making your decisions. Would there not be an uproar if this article were about a white politician who was published in the press as vocally admitting putting being white before being a Democrat in a racially divided city that needs to work on race relations? When we can say as people, when our politicians can say as politicians, I am a St. Louisan before I am a Democrat or a Republican, before I am black or white, that is when our city will be able to become a better, healthier, more respectable and more complete and whole place to live. Shame on you Jamilah Nasheed, and shame on all of you who continue to further this ridiculousness in a city that in so many other ways has become progressive and something to be proud of.
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08/19/2011 9:34:00 AM
What happened with the Dixiecrats from the Goldwater campaign on though? That is the part you continue to conveniently leave out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
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08/19/2011 6:47:00 AM
You don't hear them harping on being slaves in Egypt, or Persia or any other place, or as being an excuse for not having a job either. They have been slaves in many places and yet thrive and excel at what they do...
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08/19/2011 4:16:00 AM
XXXX..
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anon 08/19/2011 2:22:00 AM
what??? most of this thread is white people saying "THE PROBLEM WITH BLACK PEOPLE IS..." im saying these people need to stfu and do a little self-reflection
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Alberto 08/19/2011 2:20:00 AM
I have never, ever heard any Jewish person say "I get picked on by the police, live in a crime neighborhood, can't finish high school or get a job because I am scarred from Auschwitz" Many now you will understand how ridiculous your claims are.
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Alberto 08/19/2011 2:14:00 AM
Really????? The purpose of remembering slavery is so that mistake can never happen again??? in this century?? I gave your arguments some substance until you said that complete nonsense. Its in all of the history books so everyone knows about it and will always know about it. To claim that African Americans are scarred from it today is complete, total bullshit. Its an excuse. Should anyone forget it? Absolutely not. Should you (as a group) use it as an excuse not to achieve greatness? Absolutely not but you are.
Just so you know, I as a white person am reminded of slavery frequently by people such as yourself but carry no guilt or shame for something that happened over a hundred years ago nor do I try to forget it ever happened. I have no reason to apologize to you or any black person for slavery because its a part of history I wasn't involved in and neither were you. If that in your eyes makes me a racist then so be it. I will start celebrating white history month instead of black history month.. oh wait there is no white history month. I'll start watching the Miss White America beauty pageant instead of the Miss Black America pageant... oh wait, there is no miss white america pageant. Maybe I will start reading literature from the NAAWP instead of the NAACP, oh wait, there is no association for the advancement of white people. the next time I will vote for a white president so there is actually a truth that you could possibly call me a racist for.
Also, the last time I checked, the majority of police officers in the city of St. Louis were black so blame yourselves.
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08/19/2011 1:57:00 AM
I don't need to list anyone. Its a matter of historical record. I don’t normally like to use Wikipedia as a source but in this case they are right on the money, so for your edification… Let me quote Wikipedia for you:
Dixiecrats “originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government, and supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy in the face of possible federal intervention. Members were called Dixiecrats. (The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat.)…
…The party did not run local or state candidates and after the 1948 election as its leaders generally returned to the Democratic Party…”
…The Republican Party, nominating Governor of New York Thomas E. Dewey in 1944 and 1948, supported civil rights legislation that the Southern Democrats in Congress almost unanimously opposed…”
With that said, even if a few Dixiecrats joined the Republican Party, Those that may have... assimilated to the Republican Party. The Republican Party did not assimilate to them.
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08/19/2011 12:51:00 AM
Name a single Dixiecrat that did not leave the Democrats, either for the Republic Party like Thurmond or the American Independents like Wallace (with Wallace Jr completing the family's jump to the Republican Party).
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08/19/2011 12:13:00 AM
Actually they did not switch sides. They are still with the Democrats. Still doing the Party dance.
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08/19/2011 12:10:00 AM
What utter nonsense. I assumed nothing with regard to your race. Nor did I say or imply that the purpose of education was to make people be more like me. Also, I never so much as inferred that slavery should be forgotten.
My ancestors would not be spinning in their graves because of anything I have said or done. In fact, they would agree with me. They put their lives and finances in jeopardy to do the morally correct thing and help free and educate a people so they could become the best and most responsible people that they could be. They did not do this so that those same people could sit on their butts wallowing in self pity and blaming everyone else for their shortcomings.
You are also wrong about the police. To pull you over they have to have a thing called “probable cause.” This goes beyond the simple suspicion that someone may have committed a crime. Probable cause has nothing to do with being black or white.
You will not educate anyone with your ranting. You are much more transparent than you think. When your arguments fail you try to change what people have said by giving your revisionist interpretation to what they said in an attempt to validate your own drivel. In short, don’t try to put words in my mouth… you’re simply not that good.
I also notice that you respond to me indirectly in a whole new disjointed post rather than back where I responded directly to you. Did you think it would go un-noticed. It wasn’t a very slick move. It didn’t make you come off looking any smarter. And… it didn’t minimize the risk of me coming back with a sound rebuttal to your silly BS.
The only question left to ask of you is: Do you have any independent thoughts of your own or are you only capable of spewing liberal pap?
Your comprehension of what I said – FAIL
Your knowledge of what my ancestors either thought or would think – FAIL
Your knowledge of police procedures – FAIL
Your notion that no one knows real education except yourself – FAIL
Your attempt at intellectualism – FAIL
Your thought process—FAIL!!!
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08/19/2011 12:08:00 AM
They are not in hiding. They very prominently switched sides to the Republicans in the 1960s and 1970s.
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08/18/2011 11:26:00 PM
You start by teaching them what work ethics are. However the conundrum you face is summed up in the following joke:
Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Only one but the light bulb really has to want to change…
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08/18/2011 11:09:00 PM
Funny... I don't remember mentioning race? Sounds like you are having the pangs of a guilty conscience.
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08/18/2011 11:07:00 PM
I didn't forget to mention it. There is no need to explain where they are at... they are still around... albeit in hiding.
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08/18/2011 10:48:00 PM
You forgot to mention where the Dixiecrats are today.
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Justin O. 08/18/2011 10:29:00 PM
I believe that at this point, the hugest problem facing north St. Louis is the black on black crime. They are killing each other every day and it is very sad. There is a famous quote that says before you can love anyone, you have to learn to love yourself. It is very difficult to bridge any relations gap when one side is apparently its own worst enemy and killing each other. If Nasheed could get everyone in north St. Louis to stop the killing, and get along with each other, only then will she have something to bring to the better relations table.
Don't give me the slavery excuse either. My great grandfather had a number tattooed across his arm thanks to his stay at Hitler's concentration camp. Those people weren't taken from their homes and sold into slavery in a different country, they were taken from their homes, put into a concentration camp and brutally murdered, women and children first of course and then their skin was dried and used for lamp shades. Some of them survived. Not one time did my grandparents or my parents or myself say, I am too scarred because of what happened a couple of generations ago and the German people still keep me down because I'm a Jew so I have no motivation or desire to bust out of my current situation and fight like hell to make something of myself.
Every individual is in charge of their own destiny in this country. Some people have it made easy to succeed and others have to overcome difficult challenges whether it is due to race, health issues, or something else. Its time to stop blaming and start doing. Its hard to do if you are down but the reward is priceless. Any people of north St. Louis of any color who are struggling need an inspiring leader who promotes individual self worth, motivation and positivity, not someone with a "what are YOU going to do about that Mr. Mayor" attitude.
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Collective Agenda 08/18/2011 9:53:00 PM
@James. It sounds like you're assuming that I'm Black. FAIL.
It also sounds like you are defining education based upon the status quo of indoctrinating children into being good citizens of the society we live in. EPIC, RACIST FAIL. Education is not how much a person can be trained to be like you, it is the teachings that help them grow to be a responsible member of their community and the world community. But that's a common racist mistake; forcing your culture on another group of people for your own gain. You seem to misunderstand "education," so I shall "educate" you.
The ancestors you speak of did good work on behalf of equal rights in this country. And they must be spinning in their graves to hear their descendant waste time and energy generalizing the very people they sought to help. Undoing you ancestors’ work- FAIL!
That police pull you over because you disobey the law. The police far too many Black people over because they "SUSPECT" they break the law. The suspicion is based on perspective, one that is not in Black people's best interest. But when a Black Man who is tired of being pulled over for the cops poor "suspicion," the cop is trained to accelerate the situation to the point of using force, the situation ends up bad. Cops are here to protect you, but their here to watch and aggress on Black people.
The past is only inconvenient for those who history makes to look bad. Germans want to forget about the Nazi takeover, and how a vast majority of their citizenry assumed a mob mentality and killed over 6 million human beings. They want to forget that, but ask a Jew if they forget it.
The Catholic church wants to forget the Inquisition and the string of child molestations coming to light recently. Ask the parents; did they forget? Should the children just "get over it?" Should the common folk forget that the church can give in to extremity and killed thousands of people on trump up charges of heresy and “Black” magic? Not at all, that knowledge should guide their interactions from then on. And the church should remember; so as not to make such mistakes ever again.
That's the purpose of remembering slavery; so that mistake can never happen again. But mentalities like yours that “just want to forget” run the risk of not learning the lesson. This COULD lead to some serious problems, and not just for you (see all of your FAIL(ures) above). You could come to feel like it’s REALLY ok to treat people like you think; that would be a problem for you.
Now "education" would dictate that you learn something about your racist perspective on the matter. Hopefully, you have received your "education" well.
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Typical 08/18/2011 9:52:00 PM
What a dumb article, this Nasheed seems like an idiot, "I am black before a Democrat." If I ever said "I am white before a Republican", it would definitely not be looked upon as positive. She brings race into issues that it should not be brought into. Way to look out for your constituents Nasheed, you moron. You voted on certain things just because you were mad at people that didn't vote for your cause. That is the worst kind of representative!! Why don't you make your decisions based on the actual facts of the issue, not on whether you dislike someone that week or because of the color of your skin. This is one of the reasons St. Louis is the way it is, you vote for representatives because they are black...not because of their education or knowledge. She doesn't know what the hell she is doing.
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08/18/2011 7:00:00 PM
Why would anyone want to avoid it? I mean, neighborhoods like O'Fallon Park are just so lovely!
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08/18/2011 6:26:00 PM
If I want to see a Sista With Attitude, I will watch the current season of Hell's Kitchen.
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08/18/2011 6:25:00 PM
Is she was in a gang and committed a crime while in the gang, her ass should be in jail.
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08/18/2011 5:38:00 PM
Until there is recognition that blacks can be as racist as whites and the term "race relations" should not mean whites giving stuff to blacks, there will be no movement forward between the races.
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Xavier 08/18/2011 5:11:00 PM
I would be curious to know from this woman what made her join a gang when she was younger and if while in that gang she committed crimes against her own neighborhood, her own neighborhood's economy by stealing retail or other crimes. If she would use her past experiences to help kids avoid falling into the same trap, then more power to her. I just don't think that going on the offensive against the mayor would be the best approach to the issues of her area. In retrospect, she seems to be relying on her old gang methods of trying to get something.
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08/18/2011 4:34:00 PM
What a brave woman, fighting against the tide. Too bad not many democrats listen to her wisdom. Thats what party members should do, regardless if you are dems or repubs. Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong. You dont have to vote party lines.
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Davidpporvaznik 08/18/2011 3:30:00 PM
what an asshole, come down to the city and Ill show you who is dying
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Babydoll 08/18/2011 2:29:00 PM
I was wondering if anyone could tell me why there have been so many murders (81) so far this year in the city of St. Louis? I actually stopped watching the local news on a regular basis but last night saw the 81st person had been murdered and the police were adding more people to their homicide investigation division. They didn't give any other details besides the street corner of Florissant Ave and something. Do they usually say the motives behind the killings? Why are all of these people being murdered??
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Babydoll 08/18/2011 2:17:00 PM
What would be the best way to explain to those people that they need to work three jobs like me until they can move out of the area?
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Babydoll 08/18/2011 2:08:00 PM
Please read your last sentence. I think you just proved the overall trend of thought running through the comments.
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Fr8bil 08/18/2011 1:06:00 PM
And City residents wonder why people and Politicians from Rural areas dislike and distrust them.....
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08/18/2011 12:58:00 PM
Practice what you preach.
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08/18/2011 12:58:00 PM
Really...exactly what is she getting DONE (besides alienating people who could provide real help to her constituents)?
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anon 08/18/2011 11:33:00 AM
thanks for the glib and racist reply!
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08/18/2011 5:39:00 AM
You mean you put down your crack pipe long enough to go out of the inner city and into the county?
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anon 08/18/2011 4:25:00 AM
more white people need to realize theyre ignorant and racist as hell when they talk n think like this, but they wont
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anon 08/18/2011 4:19:00 AM
white people need to stop blaming %^& on black people when whites keep black people out of the businesses they own, when when whites spend no money in black-owned businesses, when whites support police departments that troll neighborhoods and look for kids to lock up that they would let go if the kids were white, when whites support a school system that keeps poor schools poor and rich schools rich, when whites wouldn't even look a black person in the eyes unless it was in a space that white people saw as "safe" because 99.9% of the population in the area is white. white people take responsibility for our own ignorance please...
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truly concerned citizen 08/18/2011 4:07:00 AM
i drove through the county the other day and all i saw was meth addicts and white people with guns. the radios were all blasting shows where guys talked in code about "those people" ruining it for everyone else, and gangs of dudes who called themselves "cops" rode around and harrassed people from outside the neighborhood and even took their hard-earned money for no good reason! everyone i talked to was sure that there were people out to get them, people that they didnt know but were working to take everything they had. stuff that had been legitamately earned, of course. they were all so angry and hate-filled, it was like they couldnt even see the actual world around them. It was a scary place; i dont think i'll be going back anytime soon.
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anon 08/18/2011 3:50:00 AM
st louis is dying because whites would rather stay bigots and run to the county, then they strip away our taxes by buying into racist lies about taxation
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Evie J. 08/18/2011 3:06:00 AM
I never said I actively boycott North St. Louis however if I did choose to avoid driving down certain streets out of a concern for my own safety regardless of what color the people were who lived there, that choice would have no oppressive effect or negative effect on a street that already was a shit hole. That street or neighborhood did not become a shit hole because I or others stopped driving by it. But you did prove my point earlier. I lived in north St. Louis which was at one time a nice area, however the vandalism and theft did not start until the black people started moving in. Perhaps the biggest crime is actually the self perpetuating institutional racism that a small portion of the black community inflicts upon themselves and tries to blame it on slavery.
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Janiece L. 08/18/2011 1:42:00 AM
No offense but slavery is distant history, you collectively as a group need to move on. If you look at the larger picture, depending on where your ancestors came from, if it weren't for slavery you would probably be starving in a famine ridden country wearing a loin clothe. Instead, you have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer. Slavery was not right at all but in the end it brought you to where you are today, the only country in the world where people flocked to for hope. If I were you, I would do some ancestry investigation, find some way to honor those in your family who did suffer as slaves and move on. It is perfectly fine to know and accept where you came from either though there may have been atrocities, but to carry and fall back on such pain will keep you from moving forward.
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08/18/2011 12:01:00 AM
@ Collective Agenda… Sadly you try to paint a very fine picture with a very broad brush. What’s more, you are more racist than the people you point the finger at. While it’s is true that racists exist in all groups, they tend to be among the less educated people in those groups. Unfortunately the numbers are disproportionate with black folks.
Black people are not the only ones that cops pull over. Over the years I have had enough speeding tickets that i could wallpaper my bathroom with them. So I have had plenty of encounters with law enforcement. With that said, I am smart enough to say, “yes sir” and “no sir” to someone carrying a baton and a gun. The net result is that with all of my contact with law enforcement officers, unlike Rodney King, I have never once had my butt kicked by any of them.
Who uses the most welfare and who uses the least welfare is variable and relative to demographics. There are more white people than black people so statistically there should be more white people on welfare. However you will find that for the number of white people and the number of black people there are a disproportionate number of black people on welfare based on their total numbers.
I am a second great grandnephew of Col. Sam N. Wood of Kansas… I am also a descendant of some of the biggest names in the Underground Railroad. Captain John Brown (of Harpers Ferry fame) not only knew my relatives in Kansas before the War of the Rebellion but he also train his men in military maneuvers on my cousins' farms in West Branch Iowa… right before he made his famous raid on Harpers Ferry. Before the Republican Party there was a group called the Free Soil Party. The Free Soil Party morphed into the Republican Party. The whole point of the Free Soil Party was to end slavery in America. That is why the South feared the election of Abraham Lincoln (a family friend and the first Republican President). When the War of the Rebellion officially broke out, many white people joined the military and marched South singing “John Brown’s Body.” The people who fought to keep slavery were Southern Democrats (hence the term Dixiecrat). Many of my ancestors risked their lives and went into the South after the war to create schools for the education of freedmen.
You need a better education with regard to slavery. Slavery did not start in America or even in West Europe, It started in Africa and what we now call the Middle East. One area that was a hot pocket for slavery and still is today is the Sudan. In America, slavery has not scarred all of us. Those that it did scar are long dead. The people today who point their finger at American slavery are using that slavery as a crutch to blame for their current inadequacies A few months ago we past the 150th anniversary of the taking of Harpers Ferry and the start of the War of the Rebellion. Get over it… every race in history at some point and time has been slaves of another group. The significant difference is that the groups who survived slavery learned from it and moved on. They didn’t wallow in self pity because of it.
Irony of all irony and ignorance of all ignorance… The Democrat Party fought to keep black folks slaves. The Republican (Free Soil) Party fought to free the black slaves. And what have black folks done? They climbed into bed with their oppressors and aligned themselves with the Democrat Party. The only use the Democrat Party had for them was as slaves… until the Republicans pushed through laws allowing the black man to vote. When the Democrats realized what a voting block black folks had become… then and only then did they show interest in the welfare of the black man.
A dance with the devil… if it isn’t bad enough that a large number of black folks have aligned themselves with their oppressors in America (e.g. the Democrat Party). A good number of black people in America are aligning themselves religiously with their original oppressors back on their continent of origin. If you talk to them, they claim they are rejecting the Judeo-Christian religions and their God because that is the God of the white man who oppressed them. There is a serious paradox in their thinking, they move away from the Judeo-Christian religions and jump in bed with the Islamic religion. Islam has been enslaving the black man a whole lot longer (for thousands of years) than the white man (only several hundred years). Remember the Sudan I talked about earlier? It is an Islamic nation.
With that said… Your comments are racist, uneducated and divisive…
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Collective Agenda 08/17/2011 11:05:00 PM
The author of the article didn't mention some of the other efforts to raise the issue and need for local control here. Alderman Terry Kennedy raised the issue of Civilian Review, a similar structure introduced in the effort to hold police more accountable to the citizens of St. Louis.
And Slay HAS NOT supported Local Control for five years. Only within the past 2 years has he caved in to pressure from the African-American Aldermanic Caucus, MO state legislators and community organizations like CAPCAR (Coalition Against Police Crimes And Repression), even though the passage of Local Control could probably mean more power for him. He has neither been a strong nor articulate proponent of the bill, and he is part of the reason it has taken THIS long to get to where it is. We are glad, though, that he has recently seen the light; some of us have been struggling for Local Control for years, decades even. We look forward to victory in the coming months and more accountability for a police department who regularly mistreats Blacks and engages in the same political interference they SAY they fear.
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08/17/2011 10:50:00 PM
Really… is that the best comeback you could think of? Dr. Seuss was the original rapper. He wrote in a simple way... using small words. He wrote that way ... Specifically... so people like you (with elementary minds) could understand what he was saying. I might add… that is still the reason why rap is written like it is today…
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Collective Agenda 08/17/2011 10:40:00 PM
You said that "its not even an issue of Black or white;" and by your comments, I'd agree. It seems just to be a problem with just Blacks, and you're just too much of a coward to dive in headfirst with your racism.
No race or ethnic group has all qualities that another equally loves. For instance, many people feel like white people smell like dogs when they get wet, but they don't persecute white people for that. Many people don't like the fact that white people enjoy privileges of being white- like not getting stopped by the police all the time, not being blamed for overusing welfare (even though they far exceed Black usages), like the fact that some of them can be soooo hated-filled when it comes to race relations or how some white people have already forgotten that their ancestors initiated one of the most destructive institutions in human history (chattel slavery). Based on those opinions, some people can really assert that white people are SAVAGES, but you don't see people of color persecuting them. And you don't see people of color spreading prejudice all across the internet. And I'm not assuming you're white, but that sounds like stuff the SOME white people would say.
Slavery has left all of us scarred; the issues resulting are far-reaching. Distrust, lack of accountability, economic, social, psychological, mental and spiritual damage and exploitation are just a few such problems. But you seem not to account for that. You seem to think the Black people just swam over here and started doing drive-bys in your nearest recently white-exodused neighborhoods.
You comment is racist, forgetful and divisive. You're spreading an image of a minority of Blacks, based on some negative experiences you may have had with them. If that's all you see, maybe you need some new places to hang out.
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Virtualgoatee 08/17/2011 9:42:00 PM
You actively boycott North St. Louis because of race. That is what institutional racism is.
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Jfedorow 08/17/2011 9:37:00 PM
More white folks than black folks dont pay taxes, THEIR OWN UTILITIES, HOMES AND DAYCARE.
Actually, the list of fortune 500 companies recive the most well-fair.
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Evie J. 08/17/2011 9:22:00 PM
I believe Ron Henderson was black when he was the police chief. If you honestly believe that giving control of a police force to people as racist as Nasheed would benefit the people, then you are delusional. Maybe they could put out a notice on the barred up liquor stores " hey everybody, you can stop killing, stealing, trashing your property, car jacking people driving through and raising delinquents now because we are in charge of the police department". The problem lies not with institutionalized racism, but the contentious relationship they have amongst each other evidenced by crime and their complete lack of respect and responsibility for just about everything.
I actually grew up in north St. Louis so you could say I had the same start as everyone. The reason why I didn't end up committing crimes, trashing property and sitting out on the front porch everyday with Colt 45 is because I came from a stable two parent family who pushed me to be the best that I can be, who forced me to go to school everyday and then pushed me to achieve a college degree which I had to pay for myself by working and going to night school. My successes and their failures as well as the perception of those who can't seem to reach up to acceptable behavior, have nothing to do with racism of any kind. I started out in a school that was 85% black, got spit on regularly and threatened with violence on a daily basis but it didn't stop me from making something of myself. In fact, it got so bad that my mom had to walk me to school and pick me up with our German shepherd who they threw rocks at her from the alley when she was in the yard. Racism institutions? Bullshit. The day we moved, someone stole all of the copper pipes off of the house not knowing that my grandma still lived there, they just knew the dog was gone.
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Mike R 08/17/2011 7:02:00 PM
To bridge the racial gap in the City of Saint Louis, African Americans need to start acting like civilized people. They need to work 40 hrs a week; they need to respect the laws; they need to discipline their kids to the end that they become educated and don't grow up like animals. They need to pay taxes, PAY FOR THEIR OWN UTILITIES, HOMES AND DAYCARE. They need to act less like African Americans and more like white America. When this happens, White America will accept them.....but not until!
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hopenchange 08/17/2011 6:27:00 PM
Yes that is a problem, blacks have been on a murderous rampage for years and all Hope and Change was a bumper sticker..... It is said at how many whites have died at the hands of the racist blacks in St. Louis.....
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Darryl 08/17/2011 5:20:00 PM
A Master's degree with honors suggesting that a woman with this type of ghetto, preaching, racist attitude could pull of a coup amongst anyone outside of her neighborhood is delusional.
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08/17/2011 4:58:00 PM
She's a jerk. We don't need ex-gang bangers representing us and if she runs I will definitely vote republican. She needs to shut-up and learn something instead of being a functional illiterate door-knob.
She's not qualified and should be recalled.
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08/17/2011 4:21:00 PM
excellent response lisabeth
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FYI 08/17/2011 4:09:00 PM
Albert Samaha , the writer,has a Masters Degree from Columbia University School of Journalism, graduating at the age of 21 yrs old, with Honors.
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kapadonis 08/17/2011 4:08:00 PM
Many of you who want to minimize the impact of racism in St. Louis are conveniently delusional or just hopeless imbeciles. At least Michaelgskll has the courage to say what the rest of you are to scared to admit or too ignorant to acknowledge. The article specifically spoke to the kind of institutional racism in Missouri. St. Louis City's police department has a historically contentious relationship with the city. However, institutional racism does not allow the city's residents to monitor and influence the police department which can help in crime. The police force is controlled by people who are generally unaccountable to the residents, and are appointed by a governor who does not live in the city. Taking political power is racism and results in many of the problems mentioned in the article and your responses. Get a grip.
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08/17/2011 3:55:00 PM
And you are nothing but a dope, dope, dope.
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08/17/2011 3:17:00 PM
I think this article is terrible. I really don't know what it is supposed to be about. If it is supposed to get support for Rep. Nasheed, I think it will do a lot of the opposite. She reminds me of the saying that you can take the person out of the ghetto but can't take the ghetto out of the person. It seems to me she is more about what is best for her, people like her, and her district than she is about THE CITY. How many educated middle class people want to live in north St. Louis? And I mean that regardless of race. I honestly don't know of any. Why would you want to live around a bunch of people who take no pride in their homes, their neighborhoods, their schools, etc etc etc. And lets not act like the city is the only segregated area here. The county is JUST as bad. Seriously.
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Jansi 08/17/2011 3:10:00 PM
Her style of ambush and preacher style is mmmm...hmmmmmm unprofessional. Her ward can't even take care of their own property but she expects them to operate their own police department????? That's a great idea. Let the payoffs begin so her police can turn a blind eye to the drug sales, her former gang and dog fighting. She's brilliant.