James McAnally confirms that negotiations are ongoing. "We'll be moving to the neighborhood and hope to be there to start out next year," he says. "There's a chance it won't be that building; we're looking at all our options."

In the meantime, Bethany hopes to throw some kind of event co-hosted by Pig Slop and the Luminary. She says she has no hard feelings toward James or Brea McAnally.

"I don't like the idea of hating on somebody that's religious just because I'm not," she explains, citing her own day job as an art teacher at a parochial elementary school. "The rent I pay at Pig Slop comes from my job working for the archdiocese," she says. "I don't see myself as that different from Brea or James."

James and Brea McAnally
Jennifer Silverberg
James and Brea McAnally

The feeling is mutual, says McAnally. "We support what [the Pig Slop artists] do and have tried to maintain open dialogue," he says. "We basically told them that if they wanted to continue as an entity, we'd help connect them with other options and we wanted to talk through it."

Travis Howser, who posted the McAnally interview on the Luminary's Facebook wall last month, says he's pleased that dialogue about the Luminary has finally opened up, going as far as to say he almost wishes the nonprofit and the church were publicly joined.

"The idea of a church funding contemporary art in a non-censored, non-structured way is actually a really cool concept, because churches have not historically done that," says Howser, noting that some artists whose work the Luminary has exhibited are avowed atheists.

"I don't have any interest in the Luminary failing," Howser says. "I'd love to see them continue to grow. My main interest in this thing is that I want them to be open about their involvement and their purpose with the church, because if they're not open, that makes them seem dishonest — even if they're not being dishonest."

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